UAL announces another recall class- 21 Aug

[Tanner]

With the August class, the most junior guy to accept the recall is 8013. 4-3-00 new hire. Currently inside of ten away from recall and looking forward to it.

 

[Tanner]

Omit my last post...just got the call today for the Aug. class. Bob J. said they are expanding the class. No word on a Sep. class though.

 

[Sonny Crockett]

Congrats Tanner...

We need you like no tomorrow!

I think we are about 300-600 short on pilots.

 

[Huggyu2]

Advice needed:
I was recalled and elected mil leave. I was awarded a 737 to DCA. My question: I want to trade someone for an A320, since there are no 737 on the West Coast where I live. Since UAL hasn't actually spent money on my training yet, I'm hoping to find someone awaiting training in the A320. I've put plugs into a few websites, but nothing yet. Any other ideas as to how to contact new "recallees"?

 

[hyflyt560]

Omit my last post...just got the call today for the Aug. class. Bob J. said they are expanding the class. No word on a Sep. class though.

Congrats Tanner...when were you hired? Keep us posted on the rumors/info you hear in class!

 

[koko nw]

Advice needed:
I was recalled and elected mil leave. I was awarded a 737 to DCA. My question: I want to trade someone for an A320, since there are no 737 on the West Coast where I live. Since UAL hasn't actually spent money on my training yet, I'm hoping to find someone awaiting training in the A320. I've put plugs into a few websites, but nothing yet. Any other ideas as to how to contact new "recallees"?

I'm in the same boat. I believe you can call the domicile FOSC's or Ass FM's and have them put in a bid for a A320 while your on mil leave. With all the bids coming out if you have some time to spend on mil lv you should have your Airbus bid without any problems before you come off of Mil leave.

Hope that helps and let us know if it works out.

Peace

Koko

 

[koko nw]

Omit my last post...just got the call today for the Aug. class. Bob J. said they are expanding the class. No word on a Sep. class though.

Congrats and welcome back to the last job you'll ever have TIC
Seriously, hope to see all of you guy's shortly.

Koko

 

[Andy]

I'm in the same boat. I believe you can call the domicile FOSC's or Ass FM's and have them put in a bid for a A320 while your on mil leave. With all the bids coming out if you have some time to spend on mil lv you should have your Airbus bid without any problems before you come off of Mil leave.

Hope that helps and let us know if it works out.

Peace

Koko

If you watch the vacancy bids, you'll see that there have been several 767 bids to recalled furloughees on mil leave. I've seen a ton of mil leaves getting different aircraft/domiciles on the 737 and airbus bids.

 

[Tanner]

Congrats Tanner...when were you hired? Keep us posted on the rumors/info you hear in class!

Thanks...I'm looking forward to it. I was a 4-3-00 newhire. Hopefully there will be some good news to report when I get to class. I'll let you know. Can someone give me the "run-down" on how long your frozen. Looks like since they're expanding the Aug. class, I will be junior in that class and may not have much of a choice on base and a/c.

Thanks,
Tanner

 

[32LT10]

Thanks...I'm looking forward to it. I was a 4-3-00 newhire. Hopefully there will be some good news to report when I get to class. I'll let you know. Can someone give me the "run-down" on how long your frozen. Looks like since they're expanding the Aug. class, I will be junior in that class and may not have much of a choice on base and a/c.

Thanks,
Tanner

Tanner,

I think the freeze depends on what you were last flying and what you get when you come back? I heard some guys talking and they said they were on the bus when furloughed and came back to the 737 and received the 36 month freeze. Also, I think the amount of training days plays a role in the freeze, no freeze equation. If it you have been away for a certain amount of time I don't think you are eligible for the short course and thus you get a freeze. Unfortunately I am not sure what timeframe they use for the above.

At any rate, Welcome back. Hope we run through the list quickly and get all you guys back soon.

 

[Sonny Crockett]

If you were out more than 36 months, you get the Freeze.

 

[Tanner]

Understand. Thanks for the replies. I just hope to be awarded whatever gets me a line the quickest, so I can use the Big Pick to get me down to around 50 to 60 hrs. per month.

 

[Huggyu2]

If you watch the vacancy bids, you'll see that there have been several 767 bids to recalled furloughees on mil leave. I've seen a ton of mil leaves getting different aircraft/domiciles on the 737 and airbus bids.

The problem is that, even though I'm on mil leave and haven't done training, they have still given me a 3 year freeze to the 737. So I'm not eligible to put in for a vacancy. I'm stuck with the 737 unless I can find a trade.

 

[Andy]

The problem is that, even though I'm on mil leave and haven't done training, they have still given me a 3 year freeze to the 737. So I'm not eligible to put in for a vacancy. I'm stuck with the 737 unless I can find a trade.

You sure? You shouldn't incur a freeze until you start training.

 

[Andy]

Huggy, I got a response on the UAL ALPA board indicating what I thought ... you don't incur a freeze until you enter training. You can call a flight manager and have him put in bids for you.
Who told you that you've got a freeze on the 737?
When I'm recalled, I plan on going into the IADFO and plug in a bunch of vacancy bids even though I'll be on mil leave. I don't want to fly in the LCO; it sounds brutal.

 

[Huggyu2]

Bob Neal emailed me and told me I had the freeze. So did the letter I received from UAL.
I'll call my domicile and see what they say.

 

[Andy]

Bob Neal emailed me and told me I had the freeze. So did the letter I received from UAL.
I'll call my domicile and see what they say.

Huggy, I was afraid that you were going to tell me that. I'd say just call your domicile and play dumb.
Let us know the results.

 

[Hvy]

Which part? That they are recalling or that it takes about 100 calls to fill 20 positions and the bypasses are increasing because no one wants to go back to that craphole?

There's a village looking for you.

 

[Andy]

Huggy, you got me thinking about the freeze while on ML. From what I gather, you get a freeze as soon as you go on ML. If you're on ML for 24 months, you'll still owe another 12 months.
However, I was reading C2003. I've copied 8-D-4-c below:
[FONT=Arial,Bold]

8-D-4-c
[/FONT]

The above provision shall not restrict a pilot from​

bidding up in status (i.e., First Officer to Captain) at any

time; however, a pilot who vacates an awarded
assignment by bidding up in status, may be ineligible to
bid and be awarded any other vacancy with an effective
date earlier than the fourteen (14) months (thirty-six (36)
months) provided above, plus the amount remaining
unfulfilled from his prior assignment. Notwithstanding the
above bidding restriction, a pilot who is awarded a
vacancy and subsequently receives another award to a
higher status prior to beginning training for the initial
vacancy award shall not incur any bidding restriction as a
result of the initial vacancy award.​

Please note the last sentence. I interpret this as allowing us to bid for larger equipment while on ML. The added bonus of this is that the freeze on 767/777/400 fleets is 14 months. Depending on how long you hang out on ML, you may be able to bid up to a 777/400 before returning to UAL.
I've read a couple of posts indicating that there will be quite a few 777 & 400 FOs who will hit age 60 within the next year. Also, TK is advertising for additional 400 PIs; this is feeding the rumor of UAL entering back into cargo ops.

Also, here's 8-D-4-b:
​

[FONT=Arial,Bold]

8-D-4-b​

​

The above bid restriction shall also apply to a
pilot who requires training upon being hired as a pilot or
upon being recalled from furlough; except that the period
of restriction shall begin upon the date the pilot is
assigned to training.​

I again read this as not having a bid restriction while on ML.

And a bit more food for thought: How much longer will UAL be flying the 737? I see that as the next fleet to be retired.​

[/FONT]
​

 

[Fletch F Fletch]

Fellow UAL furloughees,

I was a May 2000 hire and am now a probie at a large cargo outfit in the midst of contract negotiations. Also looming is the possible reduction of the mail contract (which apparently makes up 50% of flying). Included in this mix is a less than enjoyable commute to a city nowhere near as nice as the many UAL domiciles (or the UAL domicile where I still live: western mountainous state). So, what I want to know is, if said cargo company can't get their sh-crud together, should I accept the recall?

Poorly educated minds would like any advice available. Any sarcasm or ridicule accepted.

Gracias.