Typical Jetblue Month?

[bluejuice787]

It is not fair to send you the ual guys names. I don't want you harassing them when they attempt to ride on JBLU. What I will do is the same thing I did with Eagleflip and the nordo flights. I will send you flights and dates if the pilots have that information. Several of you have said you addressed the cleaning issue for OMC's. That is good. Hate to see guys held hostage for a ride. From what I hear you folks do out of your way to help people get onboard and that is very good.

Overall I think your open j/s policy has had good impact on the industry. Those types of changes are good. It is the transcon turns, cleaning the planes and other suspect initiatives that produce the scorn and jokes from the rest of the industry.

So you are in fact a liar...

You have been cornered with your lies and now are trying to wiggle free. Perhaps you should seriously consider comming clean and admit that there are not any United guys/gals that said these things to you. I am not saying that those types of people do not exist, rather I am saying that you want your argument to be valid, therefore invent the facts.

Also, it is not our style and certainly not within our core values to harass anyone much less another carriers pilot. So take your imaginary list and place it firmly in your...

 

[Boeingman]

and other suspect initiatives that produce the scorn and jokes from the rest of the industry.

Just like the minority hiring program at United right 32?

Welcome back from your time out. I see you haven't learned a thing about humilty.

 

[bluejuice787]

In his defense, 32 did indeed send me specifics--but I haven't been able to confirm the details from our side of the fence.

In any case, I sincerely doubt that our lending a hand to the Flight Attendants does anything to the rest of the industry. But I am happy to help out my fellow crewmembers.

32, thanks for pointing out that our jumpseat policy has had a good impact on the industry--it is about time that folks recognize that change can be for the good.

But will we ever agree on what constitutes "good?"

Eagleflip-

While I appreciate your tone with 32LT10 as it is in keeping with our core values but let's call a spade a spade.

What specifics? A flight number? Date? Time? These things can simply be looked up online. Unless you have the name of a person that said these things I say shut your lying mouth. All this guy does it make up ******************** and spread missinformation.

I don't want his accolades as they are associated with the lowest kind of person...a liar.

Juice

 

[32LT10]

Eagleflip-



What specifics? A flight number? Date? Time? These things can simply be looked up online. All this guy does it make up ******************** and spread missinformation.

Did jblu participate in a test for transcon turns? Did your airline address the issue of telling jumpseaters they have to clean to ride? If you answer yes to these two questions then WTF am I lying about?

There are several guys I have flown with that commute from FL.(We closed our MIA base) Many rode/ride jblu from FL to either JFK or IAD over the past couple of years. Of those when the topic of JBLU came up about half would say they were told they had to clean the plane. They all said they were treated very well overall said nice things about JBLU.

I will give you the information I get. Not alot of JBLU commuters at my current domicile.

 

[IB6 UB9]

32

You seem to be on here spending most of your waking hours consumed with JBLU...bashing actually. I have never seen you add one bit of useful information to this forum. You must have a pathetic life. Speaking of scablike tendencies, I have the list. Many of the names on that list have a brief addition describing their character, not unlike what you were banned for just days ago.

 

[32LT10]

32

I have never seen you add one bit of useful information to this forum.

Your nuggets of wisdom on this forum have left me speechless. Perhaps you could put together a greatest hits compilation of what you have added. It is not like I had to work with 1,996 scabs and go off the deep end like that CAL scab that post on here.

 

[Boeingman]

Scab Scab Scab Scab Scab Scab Scab Scab Scab

go off the deep end like that CAL scab that post on here.

LMAO....If it floats your boat to think I am a scab..go right ahead. Doesn't bother me in the least. You see Doctor, I know what I am. You however expose yourself with each message. There is no denying you are typical of the arrogant Brain Surgeon we all know permeates through the ranks at United.

One would of thought those of your ilk would of learned a few lessons after the last several years. Many have but with you I guess we can just chaulk it up to your dysfunctional personality and view of the perfect world you live in.

CORRECTED BY THE WATCHFUL EYES OF DOCTOR 32LT10

Edited for Koko

 

[32LT10]

LMAO....If it floats your boat to think I am a scab..go right ahead. Doesn't bother me in the least. You see Doctor, I know what I am.

You know what is fricking hilarious is that I did not even have to put your user name you in the post. You figured out I was talking about you when I mentioned, unstable, CO and SCAB. Physch.

Texas Air Corp???

 

[32LT10]

LMAO....There is no denying you are atypical of the arrogant Brain Surgeon we all know permeates through the ranks at United

Did you really mean atypical? Because in the tone you wrote this it would lead one to believe that you think all UAL pilots acted in this manner. However, if you were to look up the definition of aytpical you would find this:

atypical- adj, Not conforming to type; unusual or irregular.

Sorry to pick apart your post but it just does not make sense. Maybe it is the old age or perhaps just your background.

 

[Boeingman]

You know what is fricking hilarious is that I did not even have to put your user name you in the post. You figured out I was talking about you when I mentioned, unstable, CO and SCAB. Physch.

Texas Air Corp???

You know what is fricking hilarious is you ignorance.

No idiot, it was because I posted just a few minutes before and the reference was obvious and used ad nauseam before by you. Sorry if that flew right over your very limited intellect.

Besides, what other CO pilot has the stomach to put up with your crap?

TAC? Nope. Old CO.

Brain Surgeon?????

GOOD GOD I CORRECTED THAT GRAMMER FAUX PAUS BEFORE OUR RESIDENT ENGLISH TEACHER a.k.a BRAIN SURGEON 32LT10 COULD POUNCE ON IT.

 

[IB6 UB9]

32

If you could take a minute from posting useful and helpful information to remind your listeners what you were banned for that would be great.

 

[Boeingman]

Did you really mean atypical? Because in the tone you wrote this it would lead one to believe that you think all UAL pilots acted in this manner. However, if you were to look up the definition of aytpical you would find this:

atypical- adj, Not conforming to type; unusual or irregular.

Sorry to pick apart your post but it just does not make sense. Maybe it is the old age or perhaps just your background.

My humblest apologies for not hitting the space and delete bar oh great one. When one resorts to spelling and grammer corrections, their arguments start dripping with desperation.

I will fix the space and problem post haste.

It is all better now, but the point remains the same Mr. Brain Surgeon.

 

[32LT10]

32

If you could take a minute from posting useful and helpful information to remind your listeners what you were banned for that would be great.

Was I banned? Why don't you tell me what happened, I missed the whole thing.

 

[IB6 UB9]

Was I banned? Why don't you tell me what happened, I missed the whole thing.

How pathetic you are. You have as much credibility as PFT128.

 

[Boeingman]

Was I banned? Why don't you tell me what happened, I missed the whole thing.

More proof of a split personality. Sounds like a fitness for duty eval. is in order.

Or should I say "another" fitness for duty eval.?

 

[32LT10]

How pathetic you are. You have as much credibility as PFT128.

You lack of humor is part of the problem. But if I was doing what you are doing I probably would not have a sense of humor either.

 

[IronCityBlue]

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, flame bait...

According to the master scab list CO had 1,996 and UAL 837. The one good thing about having scabs on the property is you get to look at these maggots and watch them slither around operations and the terminal. You get a first hand look at what the make up of such miserable creatures they are. It gives you the better ability to see the qualities in others. Being able to recognize scab like tendencies is a benefit of having these rascals around.

West Coast turns is but an ingredient to the persona.

Nice. I assume you read all 10 pages of our initial alertness management program and formed a rational decision. We can and should have this debate. If something coming out of this study has an adverse impact on safety that outweighs its contributions towards safety, I would easilly be against it. Fair enough. But I don't see your correlation between transcon turns being scab like bahavior.

Assuming transcon turns are even what this study is mainly about, please explain how staying on the same side of the clock in the same amount of duty time or less as exists today is scab like.

No, better yet, explain how deadheading to the west coast and flying back the same day or reversing your circadian sleep cycle 5 times a week doing reduced rests, redeyes and day sleeps, or signing off on half your block hours to be outsourced to a portfolio of low bidding "Air Groups" that would make Frank Lorenzo proud carries the hard core unionist seal of approval.

 

[32LT10]

No, better yet, explain how deadheading to the west coast and flying back the same day or reversing your circadian sleep cycle 5 times a week doing reduced rests, redeyes and day sleeps, or signing off on half your block hours to be outsourced to a portfolio of low bidding "Air Groups" that would make Frank Lorenzo proud carries the hard core unionist seal of approval.

It is only 3 time zones to the west coast. Big deal. If you have issues with how your trips are paired then deal with them on the company and association level. Do not change the entire industry just because your company plays liberaly with the FAR's. If you are on duty 16 hours and wind up 3 time zones away are you going to be any more or less tired? If blew likes to have you DH to the west coast and then fly back is that the problem of every pilot in the country to deal with?

One issue for your pilots is the lack of any flying once you get to the west coast. With the limited schedule you fly the trips are not as efficent as you would like. It is not as if they could send you to the west coast then back to DEN,DFW,SLC or up the coast to SEA,SFO,PDX etc to add a couple of hours and make the trips higher time. So because you blewboys and girls don't like something the entire industry should change.

Should I demand that all airlines adopt some rule from my company that benefits only us? How would that go over in blueville?

Speaking of farming out flying. How about we get the FAA to change the rules to say that only "air group" companies can fly aircraft with less than 100 seats. Yeah, that is what we should do. Demand that you guys can not fly your own 190's. They HAVE to be operated by someone else. That would benefit my company and do harm to you and yours. Like that idea? I can name more if you want.

 

[A350]

32:

In purest fashion, you have demonstrated what a tool you really are......

How would having all the 190's and that type of airplane operated by others hurt JetBlue and help YOU? Not to mention, our 190's have 100 seats, so your example stinks as usual.

Awaiting your typical reply.

A350

 

[IronCityBlue]

logical debate (as usual)

It is only 3 time zones to the west coast. Big deal. If you have issues with how your trips are paired then deal with them on the company and association level. Do not change the entire industry just because your company plays liberaly with the FAR's. If you are on duty 16 hours and wind up 3 time zones away are you going to be any more or less tired? If blew likes to have you DH to the west coast and then fly back is that the problem of every pilot in the country to deal with?

One issue for your pilots is the lack of any flying once you get to the west coast. With the limited schedule you fly the trips are not as efficent as you would like. It is not as if they could send you to the west coast then back to DEN,DFW,SLC or up the coast to SEA,SFO,PDX etc to add a couple of hours and make the trips higher time. So because you blewboys and girls don't like something the entire industry should change.

Should I demand that all airlines adopt some rule from my company that benefits only us? How would that go over in blueville?

Speaking of farming out flying. How about we get the FAA to change the rules to say that only "air group" companies can fly aircraft with less than 100 seats. Yeah, that is what we should do. Demand that you guys can not fly your own 190's. They HAVE to be operated by someone else. That would benefit my company and do harm to you and yours. Like that idea? I can name more if you want.

A couple friends of mine are recently recalled United furloughees. They tell me there work rules are basically fly to the FAR's. They get less time off, fly more, get less OT, and spend considerably less time at home than I do. If the situation were reversed, you would say our work rules were scab like tendencies, wouldn't you? What's your point?

And as 350 pointed out, the 190 has 100 seats, so your example doesn't hold water. Secondly, transcon turns, IF that's what happens out of this study, would "benefit" all airlines equally. Its an issue of duty day, same side of the clock flying. Its nothing that would magically benefit B6. Besides, I'm sure your contract would prohibit it for you anyway, right? You never do redeyes, or deadhead more than an hour or two to fly one back, do you? Yep, its just B6.

Sure, give more logical examples. Like, how about airlines can only fly A320's and E190's! There's an intelligent come back!

By the way, did everyone notice what he did with the "blew" thing there? See, its pronounced like "Blue" but the literal meaning of that way he spells it disparages JetBlue in a very clever way. Like the past tense of Blows. That's solid.

So are we still debating if its transcon turns or the uncontrollale cancer of outsourcing to portfolio air groups that has caused the greater harm to the profession of airline pilot?

By the way, our trip productivity is among the best in the industry. Not being able to add a leg on the west coast isn't exactly dragging our daily credit average down very much. Hardly an "issue" as you call it. I think this month was 6.1 per day, or something like that. What's yours? Is anything less a scab like tendency?

 

[Ifly101]

According to the master scab list CO had 1,996 and UAL 837. The one good thing about having scabs on the property is you get to look at these maggots and watch them slither around operations and the terminal. You get a first hand look at what the make up of such miserable creatures they are. It gives you the better ability to see the qualities in others. Being able to recognize scab like tendencies is a benefit of having these rascals around.

West Coast turns is but an ingredient to the persona.

Hey Scab,

Takes one to know one.

 

[Pilottodd2]

OK guys. Enough. I only wanted to know what a typical jetBlue month was like. 3-on, 4-off? 7-on, 7-off? Or something in between. And after 4 pages of drivel, still no answer.

Remember, opinions are like butt holes...Everyone's got one.
The trick is to not show it in public.

Once everyone realizes this, your collective blood pressure will drop 10-fold.
In the mean time, relax, drink a beer, and kick your 3-legged dog.

 

[IronCityBlue]

original topic

OK guys. Enough. I only wanted to know what a typical jetBlue month was like. 3-on, 4-off? 7-on, 7-off? Or something in between. And after 4 pages of drivel, still no answer.

Remember, opinions are like butt holes...Everyone's got one.
The trick is to not show it in public.

Once everyone realizes this, your collective blood pressure will drop 10-fold.
In the mean time, relax, drink a beer, and kick your 3-legged dog.

How dare you take over this thread with your irrelevant off the subject original topic!

Reserve is 12 days off a month and you have a fairly good ammount of control as to how those days are spaced. Most commuters do 4, 5 or 6 days on at a time to minimize commutes. A few locals do one or two days on at a time so they're home more. You can move and even drop reserve days very easily if the staffing is there, and its not extremely uncommon to get released early on your last day. Its still reserve, but its one of the better reserves without a long call out there.

Lineholders average like 15-16 days off most months. Productivity is high. With our online trip swapping system you never have to do your whole original schedule if you don't want to. JFK is bigger and therefore you have more options to swap, but QOL for line holders here is pretty good. Senior FO's can get 17-20 days a month off quite easilly.

By the way, its not cheating if its YOUR dog.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

OK guys. Enough. I only wanted to know what a typical jetBlue month was like. 3-on, 4-off? 7-on, 7-off? Or something in between. And after 4 pages of drivel, still no answer.

Remember, opinions are like butt holes...Everyone's got one.
The trick is to not show it in public.

Once everyone realizes this, your collective blood pressure will drop 10-fold.
In the mean time, relax, drink a beer, and kick your 3-legged dog.

First of all, dd, you get what you deserve when it comes to asking questions about jb on this board. You might as well have asked a White House spokesman. The funny thing about jb threads is that Boeingman and 32LT10 always seem to get into a HUGE cage match -- man, what I wouldn't give to see those two claw at each other in real life. Ha!

I thought we answered all of your questions, reread your post and saw that we didn't. Each month the bid is based upon a target amount of hours. You can bid the lower or min value for the month, or the greater or max value for the month. You can set a min days off function in between trips to help with qol or commuting and you can avoid trips that may not suit you. That is PBS and it is seniority based, so take what I just said with a grain of salt. A junior fo is not gonna be happy with 100% of his line until 6-8 months. BUT -- you can always drop trips, paid or unpaid, as long as you don't go below 70 hours for the month (unless of course you have mil days or something to that effect). That being said, once you get a line, you can drop/swap/add to your heart's content, as long as what you see in opentime makes you happy. Or what you see helps you commute etc.


As for trips, I have 4 next month (I am a junior jfk fo). 1 3 day, 2 4 day and 1 5 day. All lines are commutable on the front side, and all but one are commutable on the back side. I average daily credit close to 6 hours, but that's what I bid for. I want to get as many hours of flight time in as few days as possible. Think 3 day trips worth 18-plus, 4 day trips worth 24-plus, etc. As close to that 30 in 7 that you can be. We get paid for what we fly, maybe someday we will have a min rig like fedex (yeah, I know, I am dreaming), but until then, jb, like any airline is a balance of pay and qol. Sometimes the money just aint worth a few less days off a month.


I think our system is pretty good, but it's my first airline and I am new to the game. Take care.

 

[Hutcha]

By the way, did everyone notice what he did with the "blew" thing there? See, its pronounced like "Blue" but the literal meaning of that way he spells it disparages JetBlue in a very clever way. Like the past tense of Blows. That's solid.

The funniest thing I've seen in 4 pages!

 

[koko nw]

Just like the minority hiring program at United right 32?
There is no denying you are typical of the arrogant Brain Surgeon we all know permeates through the ranks at United...excuse me YONITED
.

Beoingman, I had thought you'd be above this. You seem to have an unhealthy affinity to the past hiring practices at UAL...Get over it.

I don't always agree with 32 and his style is more of a baseball bat to your head then mutual dialogue but he's entitled to his opinion. But you seem to have no trouble grouping 7000+ pilots with that "arrogance that permeates UAL" statement....sad.

Do you actually know how many minorities and Women pilots are employed by UAL or are you gathering your info from bitch sessions around your cockpit about all things bad about UAL? I've only been at UAL since 98 but can say with a certain degree of certainty that the VAST majority of the pilots here are white/male......But you can come your on scientific conclusions

And I find your "Yonited" inference both disgusting and racist, but hey what ever makes you feel more like a man...

Disgusted

Koko

 

[JB Bus Drvr]

Hey moderators, 32 apparently hasn't learned his lesson. Time for him to spend maybe 10 days offline. This forum would be so much better.

 

[Uppercrust]

Het moderators, 32 apparently hasn't learned his lesson. Time for him to spend maybe 10 days offline. This forum would be so much better.

Seriously, I didn't see anything in the above posts but good debate. You my friend need to lighten up. It's OK not to be in agreement with JB's desire for Transcon. You truly are a wimp.

 

[Boeingman]

Beoingman, I had thought you'd be above this.

With 32 in the picture, all bets are off. But he is fun to toy with and so predictable.

You seem to have an unhealthy affinity to the past hiring practices at UAL..

Not really. But I do think it is comical listening to one of your senior people hack other airlines about this specific subject a few days back then claim another carrier is a laughing stock of the other pilots within the industry
My comment was made in response to his absurd issues about jokes and scorn within the industry towards fellow aviators. I thought it once again comical given the common knowledge of United’s hiring practices and what was said about them for years. Below you said you were hired in 98. Believe me my assessment of this is accurate which made his comment even more funnier and hypocritical coming from a United pilot.
.

Get over it.

There is nothing for me to get over because I never really cared anyway. It is not my problem what occurs at United. However that being said I will not sit by and listen to ilk like him drag this industry down with his incessant attacks on other pilots... many of whom are your former brethren at United.
I look at vermin like 32 and realize that we have seen the enemy and the enemy is us. Pilots with his attitude for one another and philosophies based on pure arrogance is what will continue to drag us all down. Did you miss his comments earlier last week about your fellow retired United pilots?

I don't always agree with 32 and his style is more of a baseball bat to your head then mutual dialogue but he's entitled to his opinion.

His opinions make a mockery of all of United’s pilots. But agin I digress, thankfully he is a part of your airline.

But you seem to have no trouble grouping 7000+ pilots with that "arrogance that permeates UAL" statement....sad.

Not really was my intent. It is no secret that you guys used to have your share of arrogance over there. Do you know where the term Brain Surgeon originated? Do you know its application to United pilots in particular? Like it or not many outside o United for good reason ca me. Are you aware of the

Do you actually know how many minorities and Women pilots are employed by UAL?

Nope. And I don’t care either. As long as someone can do their job I don’t care about their sex or color. But when they get hired based on sex or color, that I have a problem with.

I've only been at UAL since 98 but can say with a certain degree of certainty that the VAST majority of the pilots here are white/male......But you can come your on scientific conclusions

So you never got to see what lovely things so me of your brethren did to others within the industry before 98 then. That does explain a lot. It isn’t top secret what United did after the EEOC rulings, which were long before your time there. I wonder if there are archives of the United interview horror stories from long before your hire date still available? There was a link on here with a website that had some data you desire but I really don’t care enough to search for it.
Further, I really could care less about what goes on over there. All I know is that 32 goes nuts when you mention it and that in itself is good enough for me.

And I find your "Yonited" inference both disgusting and racist, but hey what ever makes you feel more like a man...

And some find it funny. Some find it truthful, some find it disgusting. You’re entitled to your opinion though and I respect that. In fact I respect that so much I will edit it out just for you. How is that? It served it’s purpose anyway by screwing 32 into the ceiling.

Disgusted

ok.

Koko

You know I was going to bust your chops over the koko handle but I think you’re a bit to sensitive about this whole minority thing. Certainly a lot more sensitive than I am serious about any of it.

 

[32LT10]

How would having all the 190's and that type of airplane operated by others hurt JetBlue and help YOU? Not to mention, our 190's have 100 seats, so your example stinks as usual.

A350

Ok make it 100 seats or less. How would the other airlines benefit from having someone else fly the 190's? Well for one whoever flew them would probably get a pay raise.

On the other hand forced outsourcing of the RJ flying would be something to level the playing field. Get that Shuttlemesastates operational excellence in the JBLU operation.

I have voted NO on the RJ TA we had at UAL in 98 to allow them. RJ flying should be on the mainline list. Integrate those pilots to keep the whipsawing effect down to a minimum, create more jobs at the mainline and you don't limit a guys career earnings to a 66 seat airplane.

I agree with you guys in your own operation of the RJ's. However, would you want someone else to influence regulation in a negative manner for you and your pilots?