TWA Flt 800

[DC10]

If it really was a random mechanical failure why would the CIA take immediate control of the investigation and prevent the NTSB from conducting their own investigation?

The CIA released an almost comical, propaganda rich re-creation of what they claim happened and then prevented any witnesses from testifying who saw anything that didn't agree with the CIA's 'findings'.

Explosive residue was detected on many pieces of wreckage, which were never seen again after the CIA removed them to another location and stated that their own testing on those items showed no residue.

This was absolutely not a fair, unbiased investigation of an accident. The documentary reinforces doubts that many of us have always had about this. It's very apparent that the official findings were made up and that evidence was found to back up their theory, not the other way around.

 

[PCL_128]

If it really was a random mechanical failure why would the CIA take immediate control of the investigation and prevent the NTSB from conducting their own investigation?

Because that's what they always do whenever there is a possibility that terrorism or a criminal act was involved. As soon as it was determined that such acts weren't involved, the investigation was handed back over to the NTSB. That's exactly how the system has always been setup.

The CIA released an almost comical, propaganda rich re-creation of what they claim happened and then prevented any witnesses from testifying who saw anything that didn't agree with the CIA's 'findings'.

The re-creation that they put together fits with the evidence in the case. Sorry.

Explosive residue was detected on many pieces of wreckage, which were never seen again after the CIA removed them to another location and stated that their own testing on those items showed no residue.

False. The NTSB openly admits that explosive residue (in tiny amounts) was found on bits of the wreckage. They did an investigation to figure out what could have caused it, since there was absolutely no signs whatsoever that an explosive actually detonated in or near the aircraft. They found records that clearly showed that the airplane was used for the training of bomb-sniffing dogs, and explosives were hidden all over the aircraft to teach the dogs how to find them. Trace amounts of that residue remained, which explains why it was found in the wreckage, while there was no evidence of an explosive actually detonating.

The documentary reinforces doubts that many of us have always had about this.

The documentary does what every crackpot conspiracy theory does: it presupposes a cause, and then goes looking for things that might be twisted to fit that predetermined cause. This is in stark contrast to the real investigation, which searched for actual facts and evidence, and then determined what the evidence indicated was the most probable cause.

 

[Dan Roman]

we've got blond-headed NSA beach geeks selling out our secrets, Seals selling their Osama story even though they know the mission was classified, so no, I don't think a 747 conspiracy would remain under wraps very long. I'm with Jmntxas, I wish our government was as good as to hide this type of conspiracy.

This sums it up.

 

[Dan Roman]

Could you name a couple ?

Off the top of my head without even thinking about it (or googling)......Pan Am 707 holding near PHL back in the 60's I believe.

 

[slaquer5]

Off the top of my head without even thinking about it (or googling)......Pan Am 707 holding near PHL back in the 60's I believe.

The airliner was on a flight from Baltimore to Philadelphia. The aircraft was in a holding pattern along with 5 other planes when the control tower received a Mayday message. The plane was seen going down in flames. Lightning induced ignition of fuel tank vapors. Within two weeks after the accident, the FAA ordered lightning discharge wicks to be installed on all commercial jet airliners.


Not exactly a random explosion . I might be wrong but it was clear and a million w TWA.

 

[glasspilot1]

DC10: It was the FBI, not the CIA that was handed the job that the NTSB normally would have conducted. The NTSB knows how to conduct an investigation in the transportation industry (yes, they do railroad and other investigations). The FBI was sent in to cover Clintons a$$. The CIA was the agency that made up the "cartoon" "zoom" climb video that was shown at the NTSB "hearings" in late 1997.

There is no question the center wing tank exploded. The question is: What caused it? The government vaguely said "It probably was faulty wiring in the tank". Many witnesses saw something that looked like a missile heading toward TWA 800. Some of those witnesses were VERY credible, the most credible was a National Guard/Army Vietnam vet helicopter pilot on a training mission over Long Island who later said: "I've seen missiles shot at me, I've seen missiles shot at other guys. What I saw that night was a missile"!

PCL, it's so easy to say the governments always right, everybody else is an idiot.

 

[THEPRFCT10]

Off the top of my head without even thinking about it (or googling)......Pan Am 707 holding near PHL back in the 60's I believe.

It was a lightning strike. I lived right near the crash site

 

[Dan Roman]

I do recall static wicks coming out of that one. In fact, I remember reading about it in A Robert Serling book. Another A/C actually saw the lightning hit and the A/C explode. They were both in a holding pattern.
As I recall, a min of 500lbs fuel in any empty tank was put out by the FAA after TWA 800 as a completely empty tank is prone to create fumes.

 

[PCL_128]

PCL, it's so easy to say the governments always right, everybody else is an idiot.

Actually, it's a lot easier to ignore facts and science and believe a bunch of crackpots. So have fun with that.

 

[Crucianpilot]

Did you even watch the documentary? Plenty of facts in it my friend so stop trying to call everyone who doesn't agree with your idea a crackpot. You must have been on the friggin panel for the investigation the way you keep talking about it. You sound like the pot calling the kettle black.

 

[PCL_128]

I don't watch crackpot documentaries. Sorry.

 

[MCDU]

Actually, it's a lot easier to ignore facts and science and believe a bunch of crackpots. So have fun with that.

Good post.

M

 

[Crucianpilot]

I don't watch crackpot documentaries. Sorry.

Typical.

 

[JimNtexas]

Could you name a couple ?

Sure, read all about it ( and note the date):


FAA Issues Airworthiness Directive for all
Boeing Model 737 Aircraft: Fuel Tank Explosions
are Caused by Pump Bearing Sparks in Dry Tanks

It was later determined that the Philippines airliner was in fact running its fuel pumps in the dry center tanks at the time of the explosion. The significance of that fact was not known until recently, however.

 

[Wesb737fo]

I don't watch crackpot documentaries. Sorry.

I usually don't subscribe to crackpot theories, but when I do it's usually from left wing socialists telling me our embassies were attacked because of a protest that went out of control due to an anti islamic video posted on youtube.

 

[THEPRFCT10]

Sure, read all about it ( and note the date):


FAA Issues Airworthiness Directive for all
Boeing Model 737 Aircraft: Fuel Tank Explosions
are Caused by Pump Bearing Sparks in Dry Tanks

This was not a 74!

 

[brokeflyer]

the union is what brought that plane down.

 

[JimNtexas]

This was not a 74!

No, these were center fuel tank explosions on two Boeings. Just like TWA 800, the explosions cut the fuselages in two.

Now you can belive:

a) Our government fired a Patriot class missile at TWA 800, a missile that was barely visible and left no fragmentation or blast damage, but somehow sliced the airplane in two. Skilled government technicians quickly and secretly altered the wreckage to make the missile damage look like a center fuel tank explosion. Hundreds or thousands of government and military employees have kept this secret all these years.

b) A center fuel tank explosion almost identical to the two prior center fuel tank explosions caused the crash. The NTSB and FBI experts did an honest job and are not all agents of evil.

Take your pick.

 

[Crucianpilot]

If they had done an honest job, they would have allowed all of the evidence and eyewitness accounts in the investigation. They did neither, hence the reason for doubt.

 

[OHGOON]

I don't watch crackpot documentaries. Sorry.

But you do subscribe to spreading "officially sanctioned" crackpot theories about what happened that night.

The evidence in that documentary is very hard to completely dismiss unless one refuses to watch it...then it's easy.

Ignorance is bliss.

 

[Crucianpilot]

But you do subscribe to spreading "officially sanctioned" crackpot theories about what happened that night.

The evidence in that documentary is very hard to completely dismiss unless one refuses to watch it...then it's easy.

Ignorance is bliss.

Well said!

 

[Wesb737fo]

Agreed. I watched it last night. I didn't see any crackpot theory proposed, as a matter of fact, I didn't see any theory proposed at all. They only pointed out the fact that numerous people reported seeing a streak of light or what appeared as "cheap fireworks" originating from sea level up to the sky and then a fireball. So the question posed was if there was no conclusive evidence that the center tank exploded per the video of the NTSB hearing, then why were they so quick to dismiss the numerous eye witnesses. These witnesses weren't all uneducated morons ( one was a fighter pilot and another a guard helicopter pilot).

I will concede as fact that a center tank pump running on a dry fuel tank can and has caused an explosion with a couple of 737's. But the witnesses were pretty seriously convinced they saw a missile. I was swayed neither direction by the documentary but I didn't see any crackpot theories.

You want crackpot theories... watch " Loose Change " or any Obama State Dept. employees on Benghazi. Now that's some crackpot theories.

 

[JumpersAway]

A SAM kills with a huge shotgun blast of shrapnel, what's left of the target looks like swiss cheese.

No shrapnel holes in TWA 800.

Actually, that's where quite a bit of the conspiracy comes from. There were skin fragments that exhibited this type of damage. The penetration showed entry, external to the aircraft. Somehow, several of these pieces went "missing".

 

[BOX OFFICE]

Because that's what they always do whenever there is a possibility that terrorism or a criminal act was involved. As soon as it was determined that such acts weren't involved, the investigation was handed back over to the NTSB. That's exactly how the system has always been setup.

When there is a question of terrorism, the FBI gets involved, not the CIA. To my knowledge, this it the first time the CIA became involved in a US civilian airliner crash. The second was 9/11.

PCL, you need to read the James Sanders book. 200 pages of photo and eyewitness evidence to a coverup. He served time because he failed to name his sources! They never found two pieces of the wreckage. One on the bottom of the fuselage, one on the top. The missile entered the bottom of the fuel tank, ignited it, and exited the top. So yes, it was a fuel tank explosion.

Why are you so invested in calling this a crackpot theory, and why are you childishly sticking your fingers in your ears saying you won't even listen to it. Is this some crackpot ALPA agenda?

 

[FMEpilot]

We had a Captain here that witnessed it in flight. Reported seeing a streak heading towards the aircraft. The FBI met him at his hotel late that night. He retired last year but was always willing to talk about it.

 

[bri5150]

I watched the documentary the other day. It had me thinking until they presented their theory it was three different missiles. At that point it is too much coordination for it to be an accidental navy firing or terrorist act. One missile from the land and two from the sea. Not likely in my mind.

 

[Flyer1015]

As already mentioned, no US serviceman/woman would be able to keep this tight lid forever. These days people are leaking NSA spy stuff because they think it is wrong (and it is wrong) against the American public. Shooting down an airliner by mistake would never be hidden this well for this long. Someone somewhere would not be able to sleep at night and go public. As for the terrorist angle, the whole point of a terror attack involves the people being attacked know that it was terrorism. Otherwise there is no point if they don't get recognition for the attack as a terrorist attack. The point of a terror attack is to strike fear in the hearts of the civilian population. Any terrorist group that could have shot down an airliner would have gone public with their proof/claims. There were none because this wasn't a terrorism incident.

Sorry but this is one case where the NTSB got it right. It just doesn't go over well with many pilots. Just as there are still pilots today who think that AA 587 was Airbus's fault, and not AA's F4 Phanthom jet training for airliners and a FO who was far too aggressive on the rudder.

 

[PCL_128]

Flyer1015 finally got something right!

 

[Otto77]

What was interesting to me is why were debris field tags changed to make some pieces appear to support the center tank explosion theory? Why were a few pieces that were run by the egis explosion detection system declared as false when the machine is found to be extremely accurate? Lots of fishy stories like this.

These are things I ponder about this incident.

 

[booo]

Latest theory I've heard was that a single, pristine bullet ricocheted into a time warp or worm hole, off the limo and was shot from the grassy knoll.