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TWA Flt 800

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http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/twa-flight-800-crash-investigation-ntsb-141624708.html

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/06/1...ak-silence-in-new-documentary-claim-original/

TWA Flight 800 crash not due to gas tank explosion, say former investigators
By Dylan Stableford, Yahoo! News | The Lookout ? 1 hr 48 mins ago

The producers of an upcoming documentary on TWA Flight 800?which exploded and crashed into the waters off Long Island, N.Y., on July 17, 1996, killing all 230 people on board?claim to have proof that an explosion outside the Paris-bound flight caused the crash. And six former investigators who took part in the film say there was a cover-up and want the case reopened.
"There was a lack of coordination and willful denial of information," Hank Hughes, a senior accident investigator for the National Transportation Safety Board, said on Wednesday during a conference call with reporters. "There were 755 witnesses. At no time was information provided by the witnesses shared by the FBI."
Jim Speer, an accident investigator at the time of the crash for the Airline Pilots Association, who sifted through the recovered wreckage in a hangar, said he discovered holes consistent with those that would be formed by a high-energy blast in the right wing. He requested it be tested for explosives. When the test came back positive, he said, he was "physically removed" from a room by two CIA agents.
They would not speculate on the reasons for the alleged coverup.
After a four-year investigation, the NTSB concluded the plane was destroyed by a center fuel tank explosion likely caused by a spark from faulty wiring.
But according to Tom Stalcup, a co-producer of the documentary, the investigators have new "radar and forensic evidence proving that one or more ordnance explosions outside the aircraft caused the crash." The film will premiere on EPIX on July 17, the 17th anniversary of the crash.
"These investigators were not allowed to speak to the public or refute any comments made by their superiors and/or NTSB and FBI officials about their work at the time of the official investigation," a news release announcing the documentary said. "They waited until after retirement to reveal how the official conclusion by the (NTSB) was falsified and lay out their case."
The investigators filed a petition to the NTSB calling for a new probe. The NTSB had said it would review any petition related to the 1996 crash, which touched off one of the most complex air disaster investigations in U.S. history.
The CIA and FBI conducted a parallel investigation to determine if a bomb or missile had brought down the plane.
Dozens of eyewitnesses in the Long Island area "recalled seeing something resembling a flare or firework ascend and culminate in an explosion," the CIA said in a 2008 report. "Had the crash been the result of state-sponsored terrorism, it would have been considered an act of war." Also from the report:
The CIA responded to the FBI?s request within 24 hours of the crash. This support consisted primarily of help from the Counterterrorist Center in the Directorate of Operations and from a small group of analysts in the Office of Weapons, Technology and Proliferation in the Directorate of Intelligence.
But after an eight-month investigation, the CIA "concluded with confidence and full substantiation that the eyewitnesses had not seen a missile."
The CIA's deputy director of intelligence wrote in a 1997 memo,"Our analysis demonstrates that the eyewitness sightings of greatest concern to us?the ones originally interpreted to be of a possible missile attack?took place after the first of several explosions aboard the aircraft."
"We went back and interviewed these people and found them to be quite credible," Hughes said on Wednesday.
He added: "We have no hidden agenda here; we just want the truth."
 

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I worked at Evergreen during that investigation. The NTSB leased one of EZ's freighters that was the sister ship of TWA 800. They wired it up with sensors all over to test their theory of a spontaneous center tank explosion. They ended up disproving their theory and quietly left.

The theory was that the empty center tank, with only residual fuel, was heated by the packs during an extended taxi on a hot day resulting in an explosive fuel/air condition. They replicated the flight and conditions on an identical day. I believe they even delayed on the ground significantly longer than TWA 800's taxi and never achieved the theoretical conditions. To top it off, prior to reaching incident altitude, the temperature in the center tank was well below the required threshold for detonation.

Back at HDQEZ we were quite surprised when they stuck with the theory that they had tested and disproved.
 

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I remember the ridiculous graphic representation of "what really happened", made by the CIA, an agency well known for its investigation of aircraft accidents.....
 

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Hard to see this come up again and reopen the wounds of the families and friends.

Rest in Peace

Doug Eshelman "Little Movements"
TWA Flight Engineer; Embry-Riddle Prescott

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Hopefully this will shed more truth, and that would honor those who died. This was never a closed case in my opinion.
 

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Hopefully this will shed more truth, and that would honor those who died. This was never a closed case in my opinion.

I agree, however painful it is to those of us that knew some of the victims.
 

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Yes they do. The KC-135 is proof. But, the TWA 800 evidence provided leaves a lot of room for the reasons why.

Have there been documented cases of 135s explosions from the fuel/air vapor condition proposed in the TWA 800 case?
 

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Anybody that believes this crap needs their head examined .

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JP4 is much more volitile than Jet A.
 

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It's time the real truth was discovered.
 

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There is absolutely no way our government pulled this off and kept it quiet either then or now. No way. My favorite theory is that a missile from a US Navy destroyer shot it down. Really? A boat filled with 300 kids shot that thing down and not one... not one of those 17-25 year old sailors said a word about it. Give me a break. That news would have hit the pier before the first line was cast ashore.

No way any patriot working for the CIA, FBI, NSA, or other spy agency would pull the trigger on that mission. A mission such as this would need several people "in the know" and I don't believe for a second that there are half a dozen sworn agents that would do such a thing against their country and innocent citizens. No way they were tricked into doing it by some political appointee either cause if that were to happen to me try stopping me from speaking to every news outlet in the country to tell the real story.

No way the government paid some 3rd world operative to do it either cause: 1) Employees in one of the above agencies would have had to work that deal and; 2) that 3rd world dirtbag would have gone public with it in order to get his martyr lifetime membership card.

Crap happens. May they all rest in peace.
 
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There is absolutely no way our government pulled this off and kept it quiet either then or now. No way. My favorite theory is that a missile from a US Navy destroyer shot it down. Really? A boat filled with 300 kids shot that thing down and not one... not one of those 17-25 year old sailors said a word about it. Give me a break. That news would have hit the pier before the first line was cast ashore.

No way any patriot working for the CIA, FBI, NSA, or other spy agency would pull the trigger on that mission. A mission such as this would need several people "in the know" and I don't believe for a second that there are half a dozen sworn agents that would do such a thing against their country and innocent citizens. No way they were tricked into doing it by some political appointee either cause if that were to happen to me try stopping me from speaking to every news outlet in the country to tell the real story.

No way the government paid some 3rd world operative to do it either cause: 1) Employees in one of the above agencies would have had to work that deal and; 2) that 3rd world dirtbag would have gone public with it in order to get his martyr lifetime membership card.

Crap happens. May they all rest in peace.

Well said. Too many idiots out there with no logical thinking. A sad world we live in.

M
 

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I've never heard it was on purpose by our own-

I've heard terrorism

And mostly I've heard accident from our own with a small contained crew-

In any case the fuel tank theory was never credible-

And MY head's been examined
 

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Re: TWA Flight 800 Findings

There is absolutely no way our government pulled this off and kept it quiet either then or now. No way. My favorite theory is that a missile from a US Navy destroyer shot it down. Really? A boat filled with 300 kids shot that thing down and not one... not one of those 17-25 year old sailors said a word about it. Give me a break.

It took decades to find out the Maddox and Turner Joy weren't really
attacked in the Gulf of Tonkin which saddled us with an unpopular war.

I don't know what happened but it appears a new investigation is warranted.

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