TSA wants to scan bizjet pax

[BeeFCaKe]

gune through the X-Ray? "Yep it's a gun, Bob!"

At the time, I was flying a Hawker (no external baggage compartment) pt 91. While they were trying to get their $hit together shortly after 9-11 (not that it is together now) the screeners at Signature BOS told us that our pax could not bring their hunting rifles through because the guns would be in the cabin. After much debate, they finally relented. However, they still had to send the rifles through the x-ray

This is the same mentality.

That's friggin crazy. Take apart the guns, inspect them "YES THEY'RE GUNS" but it was OK after they X-rayed them? WTFO? These people are complete idiots.

 

[av8tor4239]

Boston Signature is the worst.... I was getting a flight ready in the morn in BOS, I went thru the securty thing there and beeped.. the guy said he had to wand me.... So the wanding showed that my belt buckle and a few other objects on my body were metal.. What if I had a 12" Rambo Knife.. it would not matter.. he could not take it.. freaking stupid..

So I come and go to the fbo 4 or 5 times that morning and every time I beeped and every time the same guy wanded me????

 

[clydefastly]

The guys at the BOS Signature are MassPort not TSA.

I had a pax forget to bring his ID for a flight from BOS to TEB. I vouched for him, but apparently that wasn't good enough. So they called a Mass State Trooper, who upon arriving asked me if I knew the pax(yes), and then asked the screeners what the problem was(standard procedure), which caused us to about 40 minutes late. The screener told me that he had no problem letting us go, but he had his rules to follow and his boss to answer to.

Unfortunately most people in a security screening position have to follow some procedures or policies that don't make sense or increase safety. These folks have to do their jobs, or they might get canned.

It's hard to be understanding and patient when the system is the way it is.

 

[RTRHD]

I hear you amigo. Guess we'll just have to chill out with that nice bottle of Cabernet you're going to owe me on November 5th....:beer:

It is starting to look that way.

 

[RTRHD]

As a frac pilot I totally support the screening of the passengers. Anything that increases my safety on the job is a good thing in my eyes.

Spoken like a true Subject.........

 

[gutshotdraw]

It is starting to look that way.

It would be the first bet in my life that I'd be ECSTATIC to lose....

 

[eyeamthechosen1]

Our freedoms are slipping away. Now you have to get approval from the government to travel in your own vehicle. Didn't his happen in Nazi Germany?

When your "own vehicle" can be used as weapon agaisnt the population there are steps that have to be taken. Let's face it, when we go into Timbuktu, Utah and fly them into the tri state area there are not any sercurity measures that will stop individuals from not only bring dangerous items on aircraft but also disabling the crew in flight. The company I fly for only checks the id for the lead passenger. Who the hell knows who the other people that are getting on the aircraft? As far as your "own vehicle" is concerned there are people that own 737s, do you think those passengers should go through background checks? As far as TSA is concerned, do I agree with all of their procedures? Absolutely not, are they annoying? Damn right, but they are necessary. Sure

 

[imacdog]

When your "own vehicle" can be used as weapon agaisnt the population there are steps that have to be taken. Let's face it, when we go into Timbuktu, Utah and fly them into the tri state area there are not any sercurity measures that will stop individuals from not only bring dangerous items on aircraft but also disabling the crew in flight. The company I fly for only checks the id for the lead passenger. Who the hell knows who the other people that are getting on the aircraft? As far as your "own vehicle" is concerned there are people that own 737s, do you think those passengers should go through background checks? As far as TSA is concerned, do I agree with all of their procedures? Absolutely not, are they annoying? Damn right, but they are necessary. Sure

Just curious, how much explosives do you think you can fit into a moving van?

 

[fischman]

Enough to blow up the Federal building in OKC...

 

[RCA]

Just curious, how much explosives do you think you can fit into a moving van?

Mr. Eye,

This is the moment you reply with "point well taken, I will no longer give my freedom to terrorists."

 

[waka]

Originally Posted by windycty
As a frac pilot I totally support the screening of the passengers. Anything that increases my safety on the job is a good thing in my eyes.


Spoken like a true Subject.........

Spoken like a true parrot. Fracs are 135 or 91k, not part 91, period. That means they hold out to the public. Any Timothy McVeigh, Ricky Bobby or Habib can get a (insert program name here) Jet Card. Then, any of their associates can ride the airplane. Sorry, your beating of the liberty or freedom drum implication holds no water. For part 91, I'm with you.....even if it is a 747SP operated pt 91. However, checking the ID's of pax in the fracs is just as necessary as checking ID's of airline passengers.

 

[FurloughedAgain]

I have a whole heck of a lot more faith in our company's security personnel than I do the TSA. I'd feel a lot better about this if they would just outline the security requirements and allow the companies to self-govern than I would about any TSA interference in Part 91 bizjet operators.

But hey, that's just me not wanting anyone climbing my pitot tubes today.

 

[o2bflyn]

I have a whole heck of a lot more faith in our company's security personnel than I do the TSA. I'd feel a lot better about this if they would just outline the security requirements and allow the companies to self-govern than I would about any TSA interference in Part 91 bizjet operators.

But hey, that's just me not wanting anyone climbing my pitot tubes today.

The only problem is not all companies are good at self-governing. Unfortunatly there needs to be a certain measure of government oversight of security.

I don't want agents climbing all over my pitot tubes either.....there has to be a happy median somewhere.

 

[B314Clipper]

Do as I say, not as I do

Report slams TSA failure to track security passesBy Alan Levin, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — The agency overseeing security at the nation's airports failed for years to track security passes and uniforms of former employees, creating widespread vulnerability to terrorists, says a government watchdog report obtained by USA TODAY.
The Transportation Security Administration lacked centralized controls over the secure passes issued to some of its employees, according to Department of Homeland Security Inspector General Richard Skinner. The passes grant people access to the most sensitive areas of an airport, such as where baggage is screened or planes are parked.
Investigators found numerous cases in which former employees retained their passes long after they had left the agency.
The investigation also found that TSA uniforms were frequently not collected when employees left or were transferred.
People using improper badges, IDs or uniforms — particularly in combination — "could significantly increase an airport's vulnerability to unauthorized access and, potentially, a wide variety of terrorist and criminal acts," the report said.
House Homeland Security Committee Chairman Bennie Thompson, D-Miss., said the findings confirm his fears that there is inadequate oversight of who gets into airports. "The risk of unauthorized access to the secure areas of our airports is unacceptable," Thompson said in a statement.
Thompson supported legislation that increased scrutiny of airport workers after employees were caught smuggling weapons and drugs into secure areas.
TSA chief Kip Hawley says the agency agrees with most of the inspector general's findings and began following the recommendations from investigators before the report was completed. The agency is tightening oversight of security passes, requiring collection of passes from officers who leave the agency and improving tracking of employee uniforms.
"While we believe the … report overstates deficiencies as well as any potential associated security risk, we share the interest in improving our processes," Hawley wrote in response to the report.

Find this article at:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2008-10-12-TSA_N.htm

 

[Wankel7]

Pilots get background checks? What in the heck is the Twelve Five program for 135 ops for? Did tsa forget about that program?