TSA wants to scan bizjet pax

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By Thomas Frank, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — Travelers who fly on private corporate jets would have to clear background checks before boarding under a new proposal made Thursday by the Transportation Security Administration.
The TSA is seeking to impose the security requirements on roughly 15,000 corporate jets and 315 small airports that currently have none.
A group of private-plane owners and pilots warned that the proposal could be costly and represent an unprecedented intrusion into private flying. Hundreds of thousands of people travel each year on such jets.
There is no specific threat to corporate jets, but the TSA said in its 260-page proposal that many are the same size and weight as commercial planes "and they could be used effectively to commit a terrorist act." Private jets, possibly packed with explosives, could fly into a building or could transport terrorists or dangerous materials, the TSA said.
"This is an important milestone," said Michal Morgan, TSA head of general aviation security. "It's the evolution of security into a new operating environment."
The proposal would take effect next year at the earliest and be phased in over two years. The TSA said it would cost $200 million a year, with corporate jet owners paying 85%.
Passengers would have to be checked against a terrorist watch list, just like airline passengers. They would also have to give their names and birth dates. The TSA says the checks would likely be done by companies that specialize in the process.
Morgan said passengers who regularly fly on corporate jets could be cleared once and would not have to face background checks again. Pilots of corporate jets would also have to pass criminal background checks.
The proposal does not require physical screening of passengers and does not regulate more than 150,000 smaller piston planes.
Andy Cebula, government-affairs chief for the Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association, warned that the TSA might try to regulate the small planes in the future. "It's a big step," Cebula said. "It would be like if you were driving your car and now you had to go through a background check."


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True, but the entire notion is still TOO STOOPID for words.
 

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I hear you amigo. Guess we'll just have to chill out with that nice bottle of Cabernet you're going to owe me on November 5th....:beer:
 

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The new pax would have to be checked agaisnt the list before you can go. It is a simple phone call to Owner Services for us. Usually takes less than 5 minutes to get a new release with new numbers and pax manifest from dispatch.
 

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Charter Guys, Ouch!!

All the fracs have had to do this for, how long, 3 years now?? The other 135 operators are gonna freak. This will really help those guys keep their heads above water. Yikes.
 

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XO already does this also.

I think the TSA is aiming this at part 91 folks that weigh over 12,500.

Looks like a job security move on part of the TSA.
 

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All the fracs have had to do this for, how long, 3 years now?? The other 135 operators are gonna freak. This will really help those guys keep their heads above water. Yikes.
The charter company I use to work at was doing this already - this is 2 - 3 years ago.
 
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As a frac pilot I totally support the screening of the passengers. Anything that increases my safety on the job is a good thing in my eyes.
 

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This is going to be ridiculously inconvenient and wasteful for Part 91 corporate flight departments.
 

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Our freedoms are slipping away. Now you have to get approval from the government to travel in your own vehicle. Didn't his happen in Nazi Germany?
 

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At the time, I was flying a Hawker (no external baggage compartment) pt 91. While they were trying to get their $hit together shortly after 9-11 (not that it is together now) the screeners at Signature BOS told us that our pax could not bring their hunting rifles through because the guns would be in the cabin. After much debate, they finally relented. However, they still had to send the rifles through the x-ray:rolleyes:

This is the same mentality.
 

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This government is wayyyy the f#ck out of control. We (part 125 ops) have had this forced on us for the past few years, though the enforcement has really ramped up lately. I know of at least one on-going investigation due to lack of screening pax... doesn't seem to matter much that they were secret service. TSA are truly ignorant of flight ops and the business. They have the power to make your life hell. TELL YOUR OWNERS/CLIENTS TO RAISE HELL with their elected officials.
 

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gune through the X-Ray? "Yep it's a gun, Bob!"

At the time, I was flying a Hawker (no external baggage compartment) pt 91. While they were trying to get their $hit together shortly after 9-11 (not that it is together now) the screeners at Signature BOS told us that our pax could not bring their hunting rifles through because the guns would be in the cabin. After much debate, they finally relented. However, they still had to send the rifles through the x-ray:rolleyes:

This is the same mentality.
That's friggin crazy. Take apart the guns, inspect them "YES THEY'RE GUNS" but it was OK after they X-rayed them? WTFO? These people are complete idiots.
 

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Boston Signature is the worst.... I was getting a flight ready in the morn in BOS, I went thru the securty thing there and beeped.. the guy said he had to wand me.... So the wanding showed that my belt buckle and a few other objects on my body were metal.. What if I had a 12" Rambo Knife.. it would not matter.. he could not take it.. freaking stupid..

So I come and go to the fbo 4 or 5 times that morning and every time I beeped and every time the same guy wanded me????
 

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The guys at the BOS Signature are MassPort not TSA.

I had a pax forget to bring his ID for a flight from BOS to TEB. I vouched for him, but apparently that wasn't good enough. So they called a Mass State Trooper, who upon arriving asked me if I knew the pax(yes), and then asked the screeners what the problem was(standard procedure), which caused us to about 40 minutes late. The screener told me that he had no problem letting us go, but he had his rules to follow and his boss to answer to.

Unfortunately most people in a security screening position have to follow some procedures or policies that don't make sense or increase safety. These folks have to do their jobs, or they might get canned.

It's hard to be understanding and patient when the system is the way it is.
 
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