TSA SAT Flying given to G-Jets

[redbook]

REDBOOK, i never tried going to air w . u r confusing me with someone else! wahhhhhhhhhh.......

Its your own posts, young fella. Stop crying.

Joining the alter ego sure has lifted your spirits! You aren't the only scumbag out there!

 

[Checklist]

Just saw Niki next door in a bikini.
ONE

 

[Shrek]

Niki is NO DOUBT a ONE

JR - can I have my sheep you "borrowed" back? AP won't return my calls !! lol

 

[punkpilot48]

I havent yet however the future all depends on getting the F/As dealt with. They will be soon enough. If unions would start being reasonable then these things wouldn't be happening. On a side note Go-Jets was created because of AAs retarded scope clause wasn't it? If theres anyone to blame its mainline and their scope clauses. Whats the point of having one if all it takes is a new certificate to get around it? If they hadn't had that scope clause then there would be no reason to create Go-Jet. When the pilots wouldnt deal though management simply did what they were supposed to. Get the best deal possible.

The scope clause that AA has set up might help ensure that both you and I might be able to move on to a better job one day.

While your future at Comair may right now be depending on the F/A's actions I very well doubt that Delta will be starting another airline real soon to get around the F/A's contract. Infact maybe you can relate the actions of others that are outside of your control may affect your employment. In your case it's the F/A's in my case it was a alter-ego pilot group. A pilot group that as you can tell by reading these threads that they are unsympathetic. At least if you were having problems there the F/A's might even be able to help you in your fight.

I really don't see this as being a union issue. The guys at TSA just wanted to help try to uphold a falling industry standard and are now rediculed for it because of the hardships that are being face. While I look at MESA they took a crappy contract to secure the Freedom list and they are ridiculed about it. Isn't it funny how you can't please anyone.

And as I said before even if they had accepted the crappy contract managment was offering 48 TSA pilots would be on the street while GJ would still be hirring.

 

[D'Angelo]

The scope clause that AA has set up might help ensure that both you and I might be able to move on to a better job one day.

While your future at Comair may right now be depending on the F/A's actions I very well doubt that Delta will be starting another airline real soon to get around the F/A's contract. Infact maybe you can relate the actions of others that are outside of your control may affect your employment. In your case it's the F/A's in my case it was a alter-ego pilot group. A pilot group that as you can tell by reading these threads that they are unsympathetic. At least if you were having problems there the F/A's might even be able to help you in your fight.

I really don't see this as being a union issue. The guys at TSA just wanted to help try to uphold a falling industry standard and are now rediculed for it because of the hardships that are being face. While I look at MESA they took a crappy contract to secure the Freedom list and they are ridiculed about it. Isn't it funny how you can't please anyone.

And as I said before even if they had accepted the crappy contract managment was offering 48 TSA pilots would be on the street while GJ would still be hirring.

I can see if it didnt allow 50+ seats for AMERICAN AIRLINES only. Why should they limit who else you code share with. If united agrees on 70 seats then so be it. Plus its a worthless scope clause if all it takes to get around it is a new certificate. The FAA hands out certificates like candy. It sounds like a pretty retarded scope clause to me. Scope clauses are a big reason why airlines are losing so much money. Back in the day companies were forced to fly mainline routes that were money losers just to fulfill the scope clause. The RJ certainly isn't profitable on every route but some routes mainline just shouldnt do. Its good that the scope clauses have been relaxed abit.

Delta will not start a new airline, they have plenty competing for the flying as it is. No need for a new airline. Thats the problem theres a glut of RJs out there and its unfortunate.

 

[oceandude]

well. that will teach me for not logging out! wahhhhhhhhh!!

 

[rsspilot]

The scope clause that AA has set up might help ensure that both you and I might be able to move on to a better job one day.

While your future at Comair may right now be depending on the F/A's actions I very well doubt that Delta will be starting another airline real soon to get around the F/A's contract. Infact maybe you can relate the actions of others that are outside of your control may affect your employment. In your case it's the F/A's in my case it was a alter-ego pilot group. A pilot group that as you can tell by reading these threads that they are unsympathetic. At least if you were having problems there the F/A's might even be able to help you in your fight.

I really don't see this as being a union issue. The guys at TSA just wanted to help try to uphold a falling industry standard and are now rediculed for it because of the hardships that are being face. While I look at MESA they took a crappy contract to secure the Freedom list and they are ridiculed about it. Isn't it funny how you can't please anyone.

And as I said before even if they had accepted the crappy contract managment was offering 48 TSA pilots would be on the street while GJ would still be hirring.

We shouldnt rely on Unions to try to provide a QOL for us. What we need to do is get our experience and move on to the company that take care of the their employees. There will always be companies that believe the success of their business starts with happy employees.

Regionals are just a stepping stone to better flying jobs and you are wasting your time with this brother in arms crap. Your brothers ultimately dont care about anything but themselves.

The big problem is the haves usually outnumber the have nots and then the have nots are stuck with something they didnt want. Bet a lot of the lower senior guys at trans states voted yes.....I do hope the best for them but its not my fault that they didnt want a job that I do want.

 

[ricecake]

Bet a lot of the lower senior guys at trans states voted yes.....I do hope the best for them but its not my fault that they didnt want a job that I do want.

Why do you think that we didn't want that flying? I am furloughed because you guys are flying our routes that we used to fly, with more to come im sure. Please explain to me how you didn't take my job.

 

[redbook]

We shouldnt rely on Unions to try to provide a QOL for us. What we need to do is get our experience and move on to the company that take care of the their employees. There will always be companies that believe the success of their business starts with happy employees.

Regionals are just a stepping stone to better flying jobs and you are wasting your time with this brother in arms crap. .

You sound like D'Angelo.

You make as much sense as D'Angelo. None.

 

[MaxPilot]

Ok, again guys, I don't understand why ALPA is not suing TSA and TSH for violating the TSA\ALPA pilot contract... as it clearly states that all flying for the company shall be by pilots on the current seniority list? The contract clearly states that no other company shall be created to circumvent the contract… as in TSH and GoJet.

Also, why hasn’t ALPA filed an appeal with the NMB on our behalf regarding the single carrier petition as anyone with an open eye can see that GoJet and TSA are really operated by one company which the contract language prohibits?

What is ALPA doing for us? Anyone?

 

[rsspilot]

Ok, again guys, I don't understand why ALPA is not suing TSA and TSH for violating the TSA\ALPA pilot contract... as it clearly states that all flying for the company shall be by pilots on the current seniority list? The contract clearly states that no other company shall be created to circumvent the contract… as in TSH and GoJet.

Also, why hasn’t ALPA filed an appeal with the NMB on our behalf regarding the single carrier petition as anyone with an open eye can see that GoJet and TSA are really operated by one company which the contract language prohibits?

What is ALPA doing for us? Anyone?[/quoter

ALPA has already said that they could not sue that everything management did was legal....the flying was offered THE PILOTS, said NO. Management was forced by the pilots to move on or abandon a contract flying at least 15 jets.....what would you do?

 

[rsspilot]

You sound like D'Angelo.

You make as much sense as D'Angelo. None.

You make no sense either because of all the sniffling and sobbing that comes with your lies....however....i your insults are very loud and clear....kinda like..."WAAAA WAAA WAAAA...sniffle, sniffle, sniffle, YOU SCAB BASTARDS!!!!

Quite compelling dialog coming from you redbook....keep it coming. Your the best support for our side.

And by the way....YOU SHOULD HAVE VOTED YES.

 

[redbook]

You make no sense either because of all the sniffling and sobbing that comes with your lies....however....i your insults are very loud and clear....kinda like..."WAAAA WAAA WAAAA...sniffle, sniffle, sniffle, YOU SCAB BASTARDS!!!!

Quite compelling dialog coming from you redbook....keep it coming. Your the best support for our side.

And by the way....YOU SHOULD HAVE VOTED YES.

You're side? what side is that? the alter ego scumbag side right?

you should have said no to g0jet. You sound panicked rsspilot. Not easy being the pariah of the industry is it?

 

[redbook]

Management was forced by the pilots to move on or abandon a contract flying at least 15 jets.....what would you do?

Join an alter ego whipsaw and convince myself I was Fedex material!

 

[rsspilot]

You're side? what side is that? the alter ego scumbag side right?

you should have said no to g0jet. You sound panicked rsspilot. Not easy being the pariah of the industry is it?

Not panicked at all redbook.....love the fact that i no longer have to handfly an approach in lousy weather with snow blowing sideways in marginal equipment....I am thrilled that I can just monitor the autopilot and click it off at eighty feet in the crappiest of weather and land.....I have nothing to prove anymore...time to enjoy what flying has to offer with the best and newest equipment....Life is good....I think that you are panicked because you see the fifty seaters are going to disappear and where will that leave you? I hope you get smart and move over to gj because we would love to have you over here.

Until then....YOU SEE NOW THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE VOTED YES......its obvious in your anger that your taking your pain out on us but we are strong and can take it.

 

[PCL_128]

Scab.

 

[rsspilot]

Scab.

Should've voted yes.

 

[LearLove]

UEJ500-

Hate to take a stab at ya big guy, but block or better is for meatheads. In my 7 years I've had 4 mo's that I flown over block, and all four of those months where in LGA. I'd take 3-4 bucks more an hour any day, rather that over block protection. Just my 2-cents..

you don't kow what your talking about? That is totally wrong.

 

[phishn@daves]

I love hearing from everyone who tries to bash other pilots.

So, how many shares of your airline do you own? When did you get hired? Were YOU trying to SCREW anyone? How many Airlines have you sent your resume to?

I know that 90% of you have sent resumes out to multiple airlines, interviewed, and maybe got hired by one or two and chose 1.

What happens while you are there is beyond your control, for most of us, yes, it is a stepping stone, so we thought.

Just keep in mind, most of us came to these regionals as a FI, or a 135 guy. We are all searching for the same dream, and it has turned into a nightmare.

Take care all, and stop the insanity!!

BTW......Star Jones left " The View"

 

[oceandude]

what short memory you tsa people have. i remember flying at AE when everyone had the alter ego sticker on their bag (when i mean alter ego i mean TSA !!)) what short memory you people have!!! your turn on the bottom now!

 

[punkpilot48]

D'angelo,

I see your point about how easy it is to get around the scope. But remember we arent talking about AA flying. Infact you could probably balme this whole thing over the AA scope now that I think about it. If it wasn't there then TSA would have 700's right now. But Im glad it is because I think that somehow I might actully agree with you. There is flying that belongs at mainline and there is flying that belongs at regionals. Like say Im confused on what "region" STL-JAX is. And there is others but Im not going to waste time on that.

 

[punkpilot48]

what short memory you tsa people have. i remember flying at AE when everyone had the alter ego sticker on their bag (when i mean alter ego i mean TSA !!)) what short memory you people have!!! your turn on the bottom now!

AE people never flew TWE routes. TWE routes became Amex routes. End of story.

You can't justify how low you are here. Get over it.

 

[punkpilot48]

We shouldnt rely on Unions to try to provide a QOL for us. What we need to do is get our experience and move on to the company that take care of the their employees. There will always be companies that believe the success of their business starts with happy employees.

Regionals are just a stepping stone to better flying jobs and you are wasting your time with this brother in arms crap. Your brothers ultimately dont care about anything but themselves.

This is not a union matter.

The regionals wont be a stepping stone if people like you keep accepting poor contracts to fly to "step up."

Yoy talk about how its like with my "brothers" that they dont care about me. Well Ive gotten a new job beacuse as soon as any of them heard about it they were quick to start giving people calls telling there friends how much of a valued employee I would be at their airline. You only thing that the "brothers" won't hel out because you are at GJ a whole airline of "people" that only give a rats a** about themselves.

 

[redbook]

Not panicked at all redbook.....love the fact that i no longer have to handfly an approach in lousy weather with snow blowing sideways in marginal equipment....I am thrilled that I can just monitor the autopilot and click it off at eighty feet in the crappiest of weather and land.....I have nothing to prove anymore...time to enjoy what flying has to offer with the best and newest equipment....Life is good....I think that you are panicked because you see the fifty seaters are going to disappear and where will that leave you? I hope you get smart and move over to gj because we would love to have you over here.

Until then....YOU SEE NOW THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE VOTED YES......its obvious in your anger that your taking your pain out on us but we are strong and can take it.

Your loving being an alter ego pilot doesn't excuse your actions. You should have said no to g0jet. You will have a long long time to think about your decision to join. Should have said no.