Tsa Gj Loa Results

[BAT31]

UEJ500 wrote "BAT 31, your post was just plain ignorant."

I reply:

Maybe ....., I don't work at TSA. Friends do and I hope the best for them and you. Good luck with whatever you decide.

 

[ren]

NO. What happens now is the company comes crawling back and makes a better offer, because they know they have to, or possibly face a whole can of worms. How many jets you think United will hand down to Uncle Hulie while he is negotiating with three unions at the same time??? This guy is smart, he knows what he needs to do.

Which is exactly why this whole thing should just go to court. He will never "give" anything to the pilot group that they rightfully deserve. He is no Herb Kelleher. He is not employee friendly whatsoever. He will fight tooth and nail to deprive the pilot group of anything and everything that he possibly can. The only problem for him is that he cannot make 28 million dollars in profit a year without us. That is what the pilot group needs to remember every time a vote is on the table. We do not have to give up anything. Be strong. Stand united. Let it go to court.

 

[210FR8DOG]

NO. What happens now is the company comes crawling back and makes a better offer, because they know they have to, or possibly face a whole can of worms. How many jets you think United will hand down to Uncle Hulie while he is negotiating with three unions at the same time??? This guy is smart, he knows what he needs to do.

Don't hold your breath on that, smoke. We will do informational picketing and get United's attention. Hopefully they put a bug in HKs ear to do the right thing. But I wouldn't count on it. All he really has to do is staff Gayjets for now. Our mission outside of work should be to talk to every pilot-wanabe with Shiny Jet Syndrome at all of the pilot factories and let them know what Gayjets is all about. Union-busting, whipsawing nose-dive to the bottom tactics.

Now, I'm going to start packing to head up to Chicago or over to Dulles. Anyone wanna come with me?

 

[CLE145CA]

Sweet.............even if the worst happens, I can live with myself knowing I made the right decision along with 75% of my fellow pilots here.

In reality, only 64.5% of your fellow pilots made the right decision since only 86% of eligible voters took the time to vote to begin with.

Twenty five percent voted in favor. That is one in four voters.

One in four pilots you fly with do not stand with us.

These two statements mean two different things. Yes, one-in-four voters (25%) did vote "in favor" of this LOA. However, with only 86% of eligible voters taking the time to vote, that does not equate to one-in-four eligible voters or even one-in-four line pilots (i.e. probationary pilots can't vote).

That aside, I do hear what you all are saying and hope that unity continues while dealing with TSA management on this issue.

 

[tjsatter]

Oooo, somebody with a modicum of math skills. Very good. Now tell me Sherlock, with 86% (approx) eligible to vote by virtue of being full ALPA members, i.e. off probation. Is that 86% of 86% ? or 86% of the total? Regardless, it is still a decisive and meaningful margin that should not be ignored. is it 75% of 86% of 86%?

Even worse case 86% of eligible is a significant turnout. How many was the the turnout for the current US President? or ANY general election. The numbers are significant at TSA.

tj

 

[Dave Benjamin]

We spotted a Go-Jet CRJ-700 in DEN. I don't recall N# but it ended in "GJ" and had the "Operated by Go-Jet" painted by the door. It also had that "Ex-Plus" logo painted on the nose. I wonder if the pilots will be removing their wings and ID while walking through the terminal.

 

[FatAlbert]

ahh come on skiers..its all about unity

 

[temcgrew]

bat31!

Hey, I'm sorry about that, I meant that for REN. The reason is that even those who voted yes were thinking of the pilot groups best interest. It all comes down to taking the chance of getting another proposal before g-jet flies its first flight. Thier pilot group will vote in the teamsters on day 1 of certification and from what I heard from alpa's legal guy at our roadshow was that would be the end of any possible way to make the whole thing one list under our current MEC and contract. In my opinion that would be worse for us as TSA pilots and for the regional airline industry than the proposal was.

Like I said earlier, I hope you guys are right!

btw, what are the routes g0jet will fly? I'm sure it will be spread like wildfire when they do get certified and do the first flight. I hope our union is able to communicate with the company quickly before all of this happens. We all know how long this could take, so the gamble is what will take longer?

 

[Mongolikecandy]

What will "GJ's" callsign be? Just want to make sure I am stepping on the right people.

 

[nck4857]

last I heard, the callsign is "redbird"

 

[POKEY]

callsign is "Gateway" they've been out doing proving runs the last few days

 

[767200]

callsign is "Gateway" they've been out doing proving runs the last few days

That would be Usa3000 airlines, wouldn't it?

 

[airjackson]

USA 3000's callsign is "getaway".


I don't believe that the teamsters can be voted in until the single carrier petition filed with the NMB is resolved.

 

[smokey999]

Nah, I think they're "Getaway". Go Jerks is "Gateway". I've seen them in STL as well.

 

[Tarzan]

I wonder if the company is having a hard time finding pilots to staff GJ's. The MEC was given a chance to sign in the agreement with a three extension instead of four. I'm sure that was an attempt to undercut any future confidence in him and possibly have some of them voted out. It'll be interesting to see what happenes in the next week or so.

Any plans for informational picketing yet?

 

[airjackson]

Apparently the company is having a hard time finding qualified pilots. They had hoped to get many furloughed pilots, especially United furloughees, but none have so far. Now they are going to some flight schools trying to get newbies to come.
We know they have been to Perdue and pitched Blowjet. Several of our own Perdue grads have gone back to the school to warn others of the choice they would be making.
Please, if you are reading this board and contemplating a job at G---T, ask some questions and talk to some of your fellow pilots. There are good job opportunities out there. Starting your career out at a pariah alter-ego carrier is not one of them.
I have never been so proud to be a TSA pilot as I have been this past week. It would have been easy to cave in to managements' promises and ALPA nationals' pressure. The fear of uncertainty is real but this pilot group faced it and decided that the easy path was not the path we wished to go down.
In the end, vague promises of lots of shiny new jets couldn't mask the realities of that LOA. Others have been led down that path before and I'm proud that we weren't.

 

[Flooder305]

Sorry I haven't been monitoring like a good Flightinfo junkie would, but what was this vote regarding? And more importantly who staged it and what are the implications realistically other than what's been posted?...
Thanks....

 

[Tarzan]

Long story. Four year extention, lowered COL, capturing the HoJet flying (if you can call it that). Check it out at tsalounge.com. Have the whole LOA up there.

I have to wonder if they had offered a staple instead of the merge, what the outcome would have been.

 

[KingKong2]

I have to wonder if they had offered a staple instead of the merge, what the outcome would have been.

It was a staple. DOH. Most the pilots were hired after JUNE 2005 so that is a basically a staple to the bottom, with a fence. The fence will allways be put in place by the company, because they need to protect the seats and prevent training costs from increasing. Simple economics.

 

[smokey999]

It was a staple. DOH. Most the pilots were hired after JUNE 2005 so that is a basically a staple to the bottom, with a fence. The fence will allways be put in place by the company, because they need to protect the seats and prevent training costs from increasing. Simple economics.

AHHH......NO. The fence will be torn down by the united pilots of TSA....then you will find yourself at the bottom with NO fourlough protection.

On a sidenote, how many GOOJETS pilots do you think will stick around once the lists are merged. Imagine the work environment.