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FL717 said:
You don't know how to pursue this? How long have you been a Captain... Captain?

So... basically your feelings got hurt..... and your answer to this is for you to go on a public bulletin board, give only enough details to incriminate, and then look for others to offer moral support and do the legwork in your witch hunt..... a witch hunt that you elected not to bother to pursue YOURSELF on June 27 at KMSP.... WHEN IT HAPPENED.

Since you elected to drop the whole issue on June 27th at MSP, and yet pursue it publically here....... I'm inclined to just let YOU do your own legwork..... Captain.

BTW - Your incident involved a B-717... so I'm obviously not the person(s) you're looking for..... in case you're wondering..... but hey... good luck..... sounds like you have a long hard career ahead.

Whats with this captain, captain crap? So you're a captain. I know F/Os who are better pilots, and have more experience, but are forced to fly with cruddy captains, just because the captain has been with the company longer. Bad way to promote shootty pilots if you ask me.

Anyway.....

You ever stop to think that the captain and I did pursue this on the 27th. Not only have we spoken to the tower watch superviser who was on during the shift, and the ground controller who was working south ground at that time, but they also pulled the radio tape and sent a copy of it, starting time 10 seconds before airtran's call for taxi up to us asking for the controller's operating initials and the watch supervisor's desk number.

So why don't you put your foot back in your mouth?

Also, we are following this up not because we got our feelings hurt, but because what the captain did was UNSAFE. Maybe you don't consider safety #1 when you fly? I guess you just wanna get there, on time.

Don't make any comments unless they are intelligent and actually have some useful information or can help someone. No need to pipe in and be a dick just to be a dick.
 
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Newjetjockey said:
Maybe its just me but I don't remember ever reading an FAR about right of way when taxing. I thought you were supposed to do what ground cleared you to do. If his comment which was so inapropriate was that he had a clearance, it sounds to me like he had the right of way. It has been a long time since I have read the FARs so if there is one that states that the plane to your left or right has right of way please let me know. Maybe you should tell us what your "professional" comment was when he "darted" out in front of you.

As for my screen name, it was the first thing that came to mind. Sorry if it makes me sound like such an "errogant" a$$ like you claim. Maybe I will change it so you will like me better. Jeez. By the way, learn to spell.

We were told to continue our taxi, before airtran was given his taxi clearance. He came off the terminal ramp and simply dart out in front of us. Clearly he was trying to get out from the ramp without having to stop and wait for us to go by.

I know things happen, blah blah blah, but what is wrong with holding people accountable for their actions?

Based from what I have heard from other's replying to this, most pilots feel they make mistakes, but it's quite allright so long as no one gets hurt. Wrong kind of attitude to have if you ask me. Passivity towards safety and other's intentions is not a good way to operate.

I also get the impression that airline pilot's are above reproach. I know this is not the case with the entire airline industry, but that is the impression I get from this forum.

As for asking for the Chief Pilot's office number, that is generally considered public information, which I can get from corporate headquarters. I just couldn't find a good number for Airtran's Home Office at MCO, despite the 5 numbers 411 gave me. I didn't bother looking on their website.

As for learning to spell, typos and mis-spellings are common, and I don't proof-read internet posts. Do you?
 
westwind driver said:
Whats with this captain, captain crap? So you're a captain. I know F/Os who are better pilots, and have more experience, but are forced to fly with cruddy captains, just because the captain has been with the company longer. Bad way to promote shootty pilots if you ask me.

Anyway.....

You ever stop to think that the captain and I did pursue this on the 27th. Not only have we spoken to the tower watch superviser who was on during the shift, and the ground controller who was working south ground at that time, but they also pulled the radio tape and sent a copy of it, starting time 10 seconds before airtran's call for taxi up to us asking for the controller's operating initials and the watch supervisor's desk number.

So why don't you put your foot back in your mouth?

Also, we are following this up not because we got our feelings hurt, but because what the captain did was UNSAFE. Maybe you don't consider safety #1 when you fly? I guess you just wanna get there, on time.

Don't make any comments unless they are intelligent and actually have some useful information or can help someone. No need to pipe in and be a dick just to be a dick.

LOL!

There is so much I could respond to in your hysterical rant above..... but I think simply quoting your illustrious post speaks all the volume I need to make my point about you. Your choice of insults speaks volumes about you... LOL!

You may want to re-read my original reply... and then rethink your stupid reply to me. You are showing the same attention deficit reaction to this thread that you obviously showed on the ground in KMSP on 27 June.

I will add one quick and FINAL comment to this thread you foolishly started and even more ridiculously have continued to respond to.... and that is this:

I bring up the fact that the assumption was that you are a Captain because of your agressive assertiveness to this ridiculous situation.... and to illustrate your role in this thread that YOU started.

Your decision to start this thread, AND respond to the opinions here highlights to me that you are an immature person who has yet to show the ability to respond to this incident in a professional, responsible, and appropriate way.... either here on these forums or any other means..... and that speaks volumes about your ability as a Pilot..... and probably indicates what took place in your mind in KMSP.

You are too emotionally wound up about this and maybe you SHOULD let the Captain on the flight handle this. My hope would be that they will demonstrate better judgement than you have shown.

Since you are "pursueing this" through ATC..... then why the need to drag this through the mud publically here on Flightinfo???

Let me take a stab at the answer to this hypothetical question:

Because your feelings got hurt and you are a tightwound immature napoleon that likes to get even.

Grow up.....
 
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FL717 said:
LOL!

There is so much I could respond to in your hysterical rant above..... but I think simply quoting your illustrious post speaks all the volume I need to make my point about you. Your choice of insults speaks volumes about you... LOL!

You may want to re-read my original reply... and then rethink your stupid reply to me. You are showing the same attention deficit reaction to this thread that you obviously showed on the ground in KMSP on 27 June.

I will add one quick and FINAL comment to this thread you foolishly started and even more ridiculously have continued to respond to.... and that is this:

I bring up the fact that the assumption was that you are a Captain because of your agressive assertiveness to this ridiculous situation.... and to illustrate your role in this thread that YOU started.

Your decision to start this thread, AND respond to the opinions here highlights to me that you are an immature person who has yet to show the ability to respond to this incident in a professional, responsible, and appropriate way.... either here on these forums or any other means..... and that speaks volumes about your ability as a Pilot..... and probably indicates what took place in your mind in KMSP.

You are too emotionally wound up about this and maybe you SHOULD let the Captain on the flight handle this. My hope would be that they will demonstrate better judgement than you have shown.

Since you are "pursueing this" through ATC..... then why the need to drag this through the mud publically here on Flightinfo???

Let me take a stab at the answer to this hypothetical question:

Because your feelings got hurt and you are a tightwound immature napoleon that likes to get even.

Grow up.....

This is my last post to this thread.

1st:
There was not any intention of getting anyone in trouble. Nor was there any intention of dragging anyone else through the mud.

2nd:
I may not be the Captain, however after telling him about this message board and forum, I suggested we post a question of "What's Airtran's Number?" He gave me the green light and here we are, completely off subject thanks in-part to comments and remarks made by people who had nothing intelligent to say.

3rd:
My Captain has spoken with Airtran's Chief Pilot, and is awaiting a phone call from the Captain.

4th:
ATC at MSP was contacted because the ground controller thought we were asking who had the right of way in an attempt to chew him out. We asked for the controllers operating initials over the radio and the tower number so that we could clarify to him that we were not blaming him for what Airtran did. He kept apologizing over the radio thinking it was his fault.

5th:
My only involvement over the radio was when we stopped to let Airtran go by.
I asked the controller who had the right-of-way while taxiing. My captain took it from there, and was more than professional.

Finally, I may have given too much info in the original post about what happend. Maybe I should have just said I experienced an incident with an Airtran crew and who can I speak with. But, instead of either shaking your head, laughing at it, or just plain ignoring and not responding to the post, the idiots come out of the woodwork to make an attempt at belittling someone, making stupid, non-related remarks and comments.

If I'm foolish to continue to reply to this forum, then what does that make you for replying in the first place? I don't get it. You think it was dumb for me to post my question with a few details, but instead of thinking it you have to share your trash thoughts with everybody else.

It's so simple. No matter what you think of me or what your opinion is, if you don't have the answer, or don't have useful information I can use as I was asking for, THEN DONT FREAKING REPLY. It just makes you look like a jerk, giving someone else a hard time.

Oh, but now you're gonna come back saying my feelings are hurt. Whatever, people like you and the above mentioned must have too much time on their hands to worry about what others do and make comments on top. What really makes it bad is when they make incorrect assumptions based off of their perception and opinion, and they think they know exactly what happened when they have no factual knowledge of the event in question.

FL717 said:
...this incident in a professional, responsible, and appropriate way.... either here on these forums or any other means..... and that speaks volumes about your ability as a Pilot..... and probably indicates what took place in your mind in KMSP.

A good example of what I am saying. You have a perceived conception about the way the incident happened, what communication has taken place betweeb the involved parties since and the outcome. Non of which really is your business. You have another conception about how it should have been handled (this is the way I would have done it, AKA my opinion) I don't give 2 figs about your opinion.

Also, thinking along those lines you make the accusation that I am not a professional and responsible pilot, and that your interpretation is that I apparently have a mental illness, because somehow my brain warped what really happened right?

Again, if you weren't there and involved, what makes you think you know what went down during and after?

And if you've never flown with me, how do know know what my piloting skills are or aren't, both mechanically flying and judgement making? I don't think you can make that determination based off of your reading someone else's writing.

So, I have nothing further to say. If you think this reply is unprofessional; well,.. good for you. If you think I should never have posted in the first place; well,.. good for you.

What you think is what you think, so,............ good for you.
 
T-Gates said:
What is it with this new aviation culture where everyone wants to rat everyone else out?! If friggin' sickens me....

I've been wondering the same thing.
 
In addition to commuting, medicals, line checks, pcs, violations etc etc I guess we now have to worry about the chief calling us in on the carpet because someone, another pilot no-less, didn't like the way we taxied out of the ramp. Your f'n kidding me right? I really hope your just board and wanted to get a rise out some people. If you are board, or you really are a big enough tool to call atc and the airline in question, I recommend that you get laid as soon as possible. Maybe that will chill you out a tad. If a little lovin is not readily available, and I have a sneaky suspicion that might just be the case, tell mom you need some quiet time and lock yourself in your room with the most recent edition of National Geographic. Good luck.
 
W.W.

Your an embarrasment to the Pilot Community! How'd that ASA Interview go? I'm sure they were able to see what most of put together in about 5 seconds. Losen up!!!

If you think someone pulling out in front of you is Unsafe, Please don't ever go to O'Hare. They will take your Westwind, turn it into a cube, and ship it back to you. Your a Professional Pilot, so Act like one. That means realizing that you and other guys will make mistakes. I was not there, and have no clue what happened. I will tell you this, no metal was bent, and no insurance companies were called.

After reviewing some of you other posts, I have to say, first, I'm fairly certain that that Captain wasn't in La-La-Land, but just tuning you out. He must have figured it was better to fly the thing Single-Pilot than to listen to you.

Then let's talk about Safety, since someone pulling infront of you is at the forefront of you problems. In one of your last posts, this is a quote that you made.....
"It made me feel extremely uncomfortable and unsafe. I could tell something wasn't quite right with him during the rest of the flight, which made me feel even more uncomfortable as our next destination was being approached by level 5 TSRA with 2 inch hail and 50 knot gusts tops up to FL470."

You sit here, and have the audacity to critize someone elses decisioning making when you are making these type of decision. You felt uncomfortable with a situation; and a fellow pilot, but you still departed to a destination with Level 5 Weather.

I think you need to take a hard look at the decisions you are making. You are not making friends in a industry where you already have very little. We, As Pilot's Do Not Need this! File a Nasa Form if you feel like you need to write a report, at least some good will come of it.

I can only hope that this Captain does not offer you an apology, but rather discloses you to the FAA. You are a CRM Nightmare! Good Day!
 
I will say only this: If someone tells me to: "quit your bitchin" over the radio, I would politely offer to meet that individual at the local of his choosing for a "one on one" discussion.
 
WillowRunVortex said:
I will say only this: If someone tells me to: "quit your bitchin" over the radio, I would politely offer to meet that individual at the local of his choosing for a "one on one" discussion.


Likewise. But, then, this little nerd will “four-one-one” your chief’s number & turn you in for something else.
 
If I was cut off unsafely I would probably say something to the other plane. I think we all would. If they told me to "quit my bitch-en" I would go to our professional standards to give a call to theirs to see if there was something wrong with this guy who did something dangerous with a transport jet. So maybe he would give it a second thought in doing this to someone else. If it was a check airman, I would want to know if a check airman of mine represented our company in this way. They are suppose to represent the standard. No matter how popular they are.

Although foolish to come here and try to deal with this situation.

What were you thinking!!!
 
Pro standards & his own chain of command has been the point of many others who contributed to this thread since he felt so strongly about being cut off. Also, yes, the standard for check airmen is undoubtedly higher and, personally knowing the TRS855 capt while observing the aforementioned nerd keep stepping over his little d!ck, the benefit of my doubt goes to the TRS capt’s actions/words. What this westwind copilot has failed to see is at the end of the day no one would condone unprofessional behavior in this industry (even the very “idiot woodwork” of flightinfo.com to which he came for answers/sympathy) but the way & attitude with which he has gone about acquiring it.
 
westwind driver said:
1st:
There was not any intention of getting anyone in trouble. Nor was there any intention of dragging anyone else through the mud.

3rd:
My Captain has spoken with Airtran's Chief Pilot, and is awaiting a phone call from the Captain.

4th:
ATC at MSP was contacted because the ground controller thought we were asking who had the right of way in an attempt to chew him out. We asked for the controllers operating initials over the radio and the tower number so that we could clarify to him that we were not blaming him for what Airtran did. He kept apologizing over the radio thinking it was his fault.

Anyway.....

You ever stop to think that the captain and I did pursue this on the 27th. Not only have we spoken to the tower watch superviser who was on during the shift, and the ground controller who was working south ground at that time, but they also pulled the radio tape and sent a copy of it,

Not wanting to get anyone in trouble??? YGTBSM! Look at the length you have gone to highlight someone's mistake. You won't be happy until someone is hanging by the rafters. Is that really how you want to be treated?


As far as not replying without info you need, you definitely need the following advice--

LEARN HOW TO TURN THE OTHER CHEEK
 
W.W.

I'm actually on your side on this. We just touched down the other day and this Fucking groundhog darted out from the side. I clearly had the right of way.

I thought about calling his Chief Hog, but didn't want the extra work.

Seriously dude, let it go.
 

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