Today's Wallstreet Journal, page B3...Union Strong

[GlorifiedCabbie]

How much did the advertisement cost NJASAP?

Whatever it was, its a small price to pay considering what the cost is in terms of the compensation to the pilot group.

 

[T-1GUY]

I hope to see banner planes a flying and plenty of pickets. It's about freaking time.

 

[G4dude]

These topics have been discussed ad nauseam on the NJASAP board....

Ad nauseum is right. I never go on the ASAP board. it is juvenile and combative, and is not anonymous.

 

[realityman]

Ad nauseum is right. I never go on the ASAP board. it is juvenile and combative, and is not anonymous.

Then, once again, you are mistaken.

There is plenty of good DISCUSSION on the NJASAP boards.

People have disagreements on opinions. It happens, whether on the NJASAP boards, here, or in person. Most people on the NJASAP boards disagree and discuss in a civil manner. There are only a handful of pilots there who take it over the line.

And best of all, the NJASAP boards have this thing called an "ignore" feature which allows you to selectively filter out those you find truly disagreeable. It's easy and can add a lot of good continuity to a discussion where one or two individuals may be getting out of hand.

As for it not being anonymous, so what? I don't know you, but if you can't/won't speak your mind on our closed union board just because it's not anonymous, then I don't have any confidence that you're going to stand with your fellow pilots in the fight we're presently engaged in.

Finally, the answers to the questions you ask are easily available on our union boards. To expect a more open exchange of info about what's going on with the union and our fight to be discussed on FI is, uh, fairly naive.

By the way, you absolutely don't have to make a single post on the union boards if you don't want to. If there's something you want to know, all you have to do is read. And you can make your presence "invisible" to others so no one knows you're on the boards. You can also PM someone if you have specific questions. In addition, there is an "Ask A Steward" section where you can ask questions and there is no debate or discussion allowed, only answers from stewards.

What's really laughable though is your statement above calling the union boards "juvenile and combative", while spending your time HERE where *cough* everyone discusses things in a mature and friendly fashion *cough*.

Sack up and go the union boards if you have any 'must know' questions. Sheesh! Can't believe this has to be explained to you.

 

[JustPlaneTruth]

Whatever it was, its a small price to pay considering what the cost is in terms of the compensation to the pilot group.

North of $100K for the half page ad. Hope NJASAP leadership achieved the expected outcome.

What say you all on this statement from the IBT....

http://www.sys-con.com/node/3219423

"NetJets' customers are some of the largest corporations and wealthiest people on the planet," said Capt. David Bourne, Director of the Teamsters Airline Division. "We think the public will be very interested in what is happening at NetJets when we start to attach names and faces to some of the customers that stand to receive a subsidy for luxury travel at the expense of middle class Americans."

 

[realityman]

North of $100K for the half page ad. Hope NJASAP leadership achieved the expected outcome.

What say you all on this statement from the IBT....

http://www.sys-con.com/node/3219423

Regarding your first statement, I think they did.

Have you heard about the new town hall meetings JH has just started at recurrent? He's coming in and reiterating that his "four pillars" are non-negotiable.

That's a clear sign we're getting to them. A lot of his tactics ar starting to smack of desperation.

We're definitely rattling his cage. That was the intention of the ad, and it appears to have worked.

Regarding the cost, no idea. But I think it was worth whatever we paid.

In regards to the Teamsters press release, no idea what to think yet, except to say I'm glad they're finally showinga spark of life.

 

[gutshotdraw]

What say you all on this statement from the IBT....

http://www.sys-con.com/node/3219423

Although I think it is past time for the Teamsters who represent the FA's mechanics, and others at NetJets to make some waves, it's a touchy area calling out the CUSTOMERS for statements made by the COMPANY.

I don't believe the bulk of our clients worry about the COST of our service. They worry about the VALUE of our service. And the VALUE of NetJets service has been degraded by the short-sighted, penny wise-pound foolish policies the current EMT has been pursuing.

It's the COMPANY trying to make it an issue about COST in order to leverage their concessionary contract proposals. The customers are actually being caught in the middle here. We need to be careful on how we present our case so that the bulk of the customers realize it is the COMPANY that is destroying on-time performance, service quality, mantenance reliability, employee morale, and the NetJets brand.

It will take public relations and marketing expertise far beyond my abilities to walk that fine line. But it is something NJASAP and the Teamsters MUST do.

 

[JustPlaneTruth]

Regarding your first statement, I think they did.

Have you heard about the new town hall meetings JH has just started at recurrent? He's coming in and reiterating that his "four pillars" are non-negotiable.

That's a clear sign we're getting to them. A lot of his tactics ar starting to smack of desperation.

We're definitely rattling his cage. That was the intention of the ad, and it appears to have worked.

Regarding the cost, no idea. But I think it was worth whatever we paid.

In regards to the Teamsters press release, no idea what to think yet, except to say I'm glad they're finally showinga spark of life.

I think that the JH still has a lot of tools left in his tool chest so I don't think desperation is in play yet. He is realizing that he is losing/lost the public relations campaign and trying to get a foothold with his silly Town Halls. No one listens to either the message or the messenger. I could not care less about his 4 pillars - it means nothing to me other than it is his line in the sand (until it gets too painful and he has to move it).

He lost the PR battle when (1) he and DS stole wages/benefits/working conditions from the non-bargaining group employees and (2) he alienated the moderates of the pilot group with his embarrassing concessionary offer that no one even considered a starting point. The Company unified the pilot group for free - thanks for that!

As has been pointed out by others and something I have maintained for a long time, the path to success for the pilots is through WB.

It is up to NJASAP and the IBT to not screw the current landscape up by pushing people back to the company side. There are concerns by moderates about the IBT communication having that effect.

 

[ghostrider64]

Ad nauseum is right. I never go on the ASAP board. it is juvenile and combative, and is not anonymous.

Why would anonymity be important to you on a private message board?

 

[Pervis]

North of $100K for the half page ad. Hope NJASAP leadership achieved the expected outcome.

What say you all on this statement from the IBT....

http://www.sys-con.com/node/3219423

How much did it cost the company for me to repo a fellow pilot home to avoid the after midnight then repo to another location for the pax? And they want me to take a cut so WB can look even more benevolent?

 

[Pervis]

Why would anonymity be important to you on a private message board?

Maybe he is not allowed on the message board.

 

[JustPlaneTruth]

How much did it cost the company for me to repo a fellow pilot home to avoid the after midnight then repo to another location for the pax? And they want me to take a cut so WB can look even more benevolent?

Most of us have done that or something similar and no one justifies it. That point wins the argument they can afford the CBA and more. That point does not win the argument on the question of bang for the buck in dues spending on a WSJ ad and the path forward when more aggressive ads are needed and savings remaining in reserve.

 

[Hogprint]

I'm just curious why the Wall Street Journal. I can't figure out which WSJ readers would help us fight management.

The last contract fight had quite a few of our owners (whom I assume are at least casual readers of the WSJ) that were instrumental in applied pressure. Stick around for this go around and you might just see it in action again!

 

[shanes123]

I am not a Netjets Pilot. But my opinion is it was a great move. That ad should run every week. To bad the FLOPS pilots and now FX pilots don't show the same solidarity. you guys will be just fine..See ya on the road

 

[G4dude]

The last contract fight had quite a few of our owners (whom I assume are at least casual readers of the WSJ) that were instrumental in applied pressure. Stick around for this go around and you might just see it in action again!

If you are right, then the ad was a good idea. Hmmm.