Today's Update from NJA

[Diesel]

Considering that the CBA and the labor-management relationship have a profound impact on our NJ families, I'm surprised that more spouses don't post here in addition to reading the board. I bet it has something to do with the non-pilot discrimination spouses sometimes face... It does rear its ugly head occasionally, but I believe those who discriminate are in the minority. That has been my experience--thanks everyone! NJW

Probably because most spouses are busy leading their own lives. Or have healthier hobbies.

 

[hyflyin]

:laugh:

Probably because most spouses are busy leading their own lives. Or have healthier hobbies.

 

[SCT]

Probably because most spouses are busy leading their own lives. Or have healthier hobbies.

I'll 3rd that Diesel and Hyflyin.............

 

[fischman]

Thanks again for you honest and educated answers. I do hope this all works out but I see and honestly feel some of the bitterness and resentment those on the NJI side feel. I'm feel certain that professionalism will rule in the cockpit, it is outside that environment I'm somewhat concerned.

Harley,

In all honesty, I'm not sure what there is to be concerned about? Are you concerned about paying dues? 1 hour of OT (that you will receive only because of NJASAP) will pay for the dues.

Are you concerned about losing your aircraft/seat?

Are you worried about you pay going down?

Are you worried about your quality of life on the road? At home?

Are you worried about management?

All of these questions are addressed in the LOA and have been answered by Brian.

Or does the term "union" scare you?

Seriously, NJI has only gains here. We aren't your historical bullying union that demands the impossible. We are smart, well informed, well paid, and well represented (when necessary) pilots.

I'm not trying to be a jerk. These are honest questions. I honestly don't understand what the apprehension is about?

With respects,

fischman

 

[ozpilot]

Good post fischman

So far the only disadvantage that I see for the 'I' side is the replacement of company paid meals with per Diem.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

replacement of company paid meals with per Diem.

Its loosely capped at $40/day anyway... (conus)

 

[Diesel]

So far the only disadvantage that I see for the 'I' side is the replacement of company paid meals with per Diem.

There are a lot more disadvantages that I see, but i've actually worked both sides.

No offense oz just pointing out to the general public I see a loss of a good way of life.

 

[ozpilot]

... but i've actually worked both sides.

No offense oz just pointing out to the general public I see a loss of a good way of life.

Yep, no offense taken.

I can't comment on the comparative quality of life at the 'A' and 'I' sides. I suspect QOL at the 'I' side is better since 1) you guys talk directly to your schedulers and 2) I don't see too many 'I' pilots sitting around TEB on hot standby for days on end!

I would like to think that after the integration we would all be afforded that same quality of life on the road. There are a lot of things I like about the NJI operational model. I'd love to see those taken up in Columbus.

And the chances of that happening are?

 

[FLYLOW22]

Fischman with a "C" is awesome.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

I would like to think that after the integration we would all be afforded that same quality of life on the road.

Seeing as I have a very close friend who knows these things... :erm:


Time again I've seen HH management make decisions which are 180 degrees from standard CMH protocol for one simple reason, it was the right thing to do. Our management team, starting with B.N. and ending with the most lowly of all schedulers {who is blonde and HOT}, has taken the task of running NJI in a manner that provides superior service to the owners while treating our employees fairly and with respect. Anything less is not acceptable.

I'll call anyone out when I see fit, and I don't hesitate one nano-second to throw the B.S. flag... So this isn't lip service to my bosses.

NJI management consists of people who are the best of the best in their respective fields of study. They strive to streamline their departments and ALWAYS try to treat the crew members right. Most NJI staffers were cherry picked from CMH, taking the very best the company has to Okatie.

If I were King for the day, you could bet your life I'd turn the keys to the whole operation over to Billy and his staff.... Pilots would be expected to fly and help the company out in a jam (but NEVER asked to violate an FAR) but they'd never be sitting in a crew lounge for no reason either.

Just as NJI management has made a conscious decision to be friendly, fair and open with its crew members... CMH management has chosen not too.

My prediction: If NJI continues to exist in a few years, you will see a management team and NJASAP working together in a manner never seen before in labor relations.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

There are a lot of things I like about the NJI operational model. I'd love to see those taken up in Columbus. And the chances of that happening are?

Choose an answer which best fits the question above:

1. The square root of zero.
2. Zero x one billion
3. Bernie Madoffs personal wealth
4. Britney Spears IQ
5. 2-2= ?
6. A Famous Japanese WWII fighter
7. How many times I've kissed Julia Roberts

 

[Willy21]

Can we make it true/false?

 

[harley30344]

Harley,

In all honesty, I'm not sure what there is to be concerned about? Are you concerned about paying dues?[/COLOR]1 hour of OT (that you will receive only because of NJASAP) will pay for the dues.

Are you concerned about losing your aircraft/seat?

Are you worried about you pay going down?

Are you worried about your quality of life on the road? At home?

Are you worried about management?

All of these questions are addressed in the LOA and have been answered by Brian.

Or does the term "union" scare you?

Seriously, NJI has only gains here. We aren't your historical bullying union that demands the impossible. We are smart, well informed, well paid, and well represented (when necessary) pilots.

I'm not trying to be a jerk. These are honest questions. I honestly don't understand what the apprehension is about?

With respects,

fischman

Not concerned about the dues even though I'm not real happy about paying for something I never wanted. Losing my aircraft/seat: Something was pointed out to me today that might make this a concern if it is true. I was told that if there is a furlough to either our FOs or Captains if they are recalled they will only be allowed to go back to whatever aircraft their seniority number will hold--they will probably be displaced from the Gulfstream fleet. Is that true? Isn't that a contradiction to the LOA? I really don't know for sure. No, I'm not worried about my pay going down. I am somewhat concerned about QOL on the road with the adoption of per diem and the accepted policy at NJA of sitting stand-by at the FBO. Yes I am also concerned about management--we are already seeing changes in our management and some of this is due to the looming of the integration--honestly, they are wary of the union and it is effecting the personal way that they did use to make decisions The individual, personal, family atmosphere and touch is going away. No offense taken and none meant in return. You asked about the term union scaring me--no but what does concern me is what I have seen unions do to companies in the past. You say that yours isn't the historical bullying union that demands the impossible, but honestly with absolutely no offense meant, most of us on this side feel like your union bullied their way into NJI. Management didn't voluntarily open the door and neither did the NJI pilots. There is a movie from several years ago called a bridge too far---when it comes to your need for better pay and work rules most NJI pilot I know supported you guys but I for one feel you went a bridge too far when you kept pushing for inclusion into NJI. We didn't push to have the BBJs put under NJI why couldn't that consideration have been reciprocated. I know I will hear about the scope but really what would it have hurt to just leave us alone? That is really all we wanted. What kind of damage would it have done to your pay or work rules? I always get back to the fact that you needed a union, we didn't. We were treated fairly and had a very good thing going and honestly it has already suffered.

 

[RNObased]

Seeing as I have a very close friend who knows these things... :erm:


Just as NJI management has made a conscious decision to be friendly, fair and open with its crew members... CMH management has chosen not too.

My prediction: If NJI continues to exist in a few years, you will see a management team and NJASAP working together in a manner never seen before in labor relations.

I heard a story the other day that verifys this. There was a meeting a while ago and someone at that meeting said the following, "If I treat my crews well, they will treat the owners well." I will give you one guess who said it.

 

[RNObased]

Choose an answer which best fits the question above:

1. The square root of zero.
2. Zero x one billion
3. Bernie Madoffs personal wealth
4. Britney Spears IQ
5. 2-2= ?
6. A Famous Japanese WWII fighter
7. How many times I've kissed Julia Roberts

Do dreams count??