To all NetJets Hopefuls...

[FLYLOW22]

Real smart!

I'll paraphrase RTS...."Do you want to go to the next contract negotiations with 150 Million/year in profit or 10 Million? The choice is yours."

What Diesel said AND just because the company makes a profit (and it always has/does... see smoke, mirrors and lies) why do you think they will want to share it with us... at all?

 

[FLYLOW22]

Maybe you shouldn't have voted in a b scale tool! You got what you wanted and sold out all that come behind you. Most new hires have no idea what they are getting into when they come here and most realize that this job is not worth the comute until it is to late. So deal with them until they find a new job because it was you who sold them out.

Oh well, another narrow sighted pessimist. You'd throw Miss Nevada away because she has a pimple on her right butt cheek wouldn't ya?

It's ok. I'll take her.

For the record...

The IBT 1108 represented pilots voted Yes for the following:

Voted in a B-Scale Domicile/HBA system. Yes.

Voted in significant pay increases. Yes.

Voted in STD and LTD. Yes.

Voted in 100% company paid benefits. Yes.

Voted in 50% matched 401k. Yes.

Voted in 7n7 for all who wanted it. Yes.

Voted in the ability for NJA pilots to fly at NJI. Yes.

Voted in good scope protections. Yes.

Voted in several safety programs and initiatives. Yes.



All while organizing our own Local within the IBT (not easy), making it through trusteeship within IBT (harder) and mounting an information campaign that took our message to 15 locations carried by pilots, trucks and airplanes.

Maybe a little less bull is warranted coming from the cock.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Yall are comical.

Come talk to us when you Unionize Crew Services. Until then, it's a Union thing. You wouldn't understand. (You couldn't possibly understand because you must be happy making what you make).

 

[learflyer]

Funny thread........time to start complaining till the next contract? Honeymoons over?

 

[windycty]

the original post said that newhires are complaining about the domicile thing and he is tired of hearing about it. maybe he needs to realize that the new hires are tired of hearing how bad everything used to be at net jets. i hear it from them as they ride on my airplane. most of the "senior" pilots probably came to work there because they couldn't get hired anywhere else and on top of that they had to pay for their jobs as well.

most of these guys will say how it was their responsibility that net jets is supposedly such a good place to work. however, it was such a bad place before and they made it no better by buying their jobs which in turn hurt many other pilots and helped to keep wages low.

 

[Diesel]

i hear it from them as they ride on my airplane. most of the "senior" pilots probably came to work there because they couldn't get hired anywhere else and on top of that they had to pay for their jobs as well.

you mean like fedex?

Oh by the way i didn't have to pay for my job. Cheerio

 

[TORCH67]

It's funny how people buy a house next to an airport and then complain about the noise! I got the point!!!

 

[acaTerry]

Not to sound like I've been dippin' in the Kool Aid, but I have to say that I'd put my "stuff" at NJA up against any regional and many LCC and majors right now. Especially the health, retirement and points. That said, it came only from a long hard fight by 1108, and remember that this last contract was the "big" fight, and next time around we can take care of smaller things.
Things can get better (and they will if our pilot group remains united), but I am quite happy here. After 3 airlines, I aint going back.
Now let me get back to bitchin' about my 0400 show....

 

[cocknbull]

Oh well, another narrow sighted pessimist. You'd throw Miss Nevada away because she has a pimple on her right butt cheek wouldn't ya?

It's ok. I'll take her.

For the record...

The IBT 1108 represented pilots voted Yes for the following:

Voted in a B-Scale Domicile/HBA system. Yes.

Voted in significant pay increases. Yes.

Voted in STD and LTD. Yes.

Voted in 100% company paid benefits. Yes.

Voted in 50% matched 401k. Yes.

Voted in 7n7 for all who wanted it. Yes.

Voted in the ability for NJA pilots to fly at NJI. Yes.

Voted in good scope protections. Yes.

Voted in several safety programs and initiatives. Yes.



All while organizing our own Local within the IBT (not easy), making it through trusteeship within IBT (harder) and mounting an information campaign that took our message to 15 locations carried by pilots, trucks and airplanes.

Maybe a little less bull is warranted coming from the cock.

Yes you guys barely tapped into the level of respectability for part of your pilot group. Good job, but the thread starter is complaining about new hires. There are few, if any companies besides NetJets operating with a b scale. Therefore a new hire would not understand what it is like to pay the same percentage of dues, but not be afforded the same QOL as his fellow pilots. Also most new hires who have not worked for a company like NetJets before would not understand exactly what the job is like and how hard commuting is until he actualy gets on line. After all we are the first batch of b scalers. I have warned everyone I know about the NetJets b scale and have suggested that they look elsewhere. I thank you very much for getting rid of the training contract and the free type. I will be leaving as soon as something better comes around.

I do agree with the thread starters main point and that is don't come to NetJets unless you live in one of the domiciles.

 

[Abbey]

For the newhires that are complaining about the domiciles.....why did you take the job if you knew ahead of time what the story was? I don't care who told you that you could have HBA in a year, if it is not in the contract, it is not going to happen. Maybe it will change in the next contract. Maybe you should have gotten hired sooner. It stinks that newhires are limited in the domiciles, but if you had any other job such as a teacher, doctor, or carpet cleaner, you would not accept employment in Dallas and live Rochester, NY. You would either move to Dallas or find another job in your area.

I think it is crazy that newhires take the job hoping/planning that the HBA system will change before the next contract. What if someone said, "I took the job hoping/planning that the payscales would increase by 15% all on their own before the contract is up."

If you don't like the terms of the agreement, don't accept. It is purely that simple, folks.

As far as the B scale talk, you guys must be pretty inexperienced in aviation. It wasn't too many years ago that every single major had b scales and the almighty ALPA saw nothing wrong with them.

 

[skiandsurf]

For the newhires that are complaining about the domiciles.....why did you take the job if you knew ahead of time what the story was?

Valid points. However, aviation jobs are all about seniority. This is why Skybus and VA will have no problem getting pilots to fly A-320s for $65,000.

 

[Abbey]

Valid points. However, aviation jobs are all about seniority. This is why Skybus and VA will have no problem getting pilots to fly A-320s for $65,000.

Seniority is an issue, but if you don't like the job or the work rules and plan on leaving anyway, what does it matter? The guys willing to fly an A320 for $65,000 will be complaing about it in 6 months time and of course, it will be someone else's fault.

 

[hopalong]

I've been commuting for 7 months now, 3hrs. 40 minutes one way and it's not
bad at all. I call friends, family and tenants on the drive there and back.
It's only two times per month. If I had a 9to5 job, I'd be doing more driving.

 

[Guitar Guy]

I truly feel bad for the new-hires that have to drive several hours to and from their domicile. I have a good friend who got hired last year and has to drive 300 miles each way to work. Before he even sent in a resume, we talked at length about the domicile issue among others. He made his decision to come to NJA and hasn't griped about his drive. He knew what he was getting into and he also knows that there isn't likely to be any change to the domicile debacle for several years.

Truly, I do feel for the guys who have to drive hundreds of miles or buy airline tickets, but it was their decision alone to accept the job. No one should accept a job at NJA based on a hope and a prayer that the domicile debacle will go away any time soon. One can roll the dice and hope that it does but don't be ticked off in the mean time. Of course, if the domicile issue does change, I'd bet that there will be quite a rush to get hired at NJA so the people who rolled the dice during the "debacle time" will have that many more pilots junior to themselves.

 

[VVJM265]

My sim partner moved to his domicle and others are considering it. Most of those who are doing so seem to have come for the regionals and have done the commute thing.

It cost me ~ $200 to get to "commute" to DAL and back from CRP for my inital FSI class. So in round numbers, I'll waste about 5 days of per diem each trip, plus another in a hotel the night before day one. OUR CHOICE to stay in CRP for another year while my wife finishes grad school. Then we'll move closer to the domicle. Granted, I have a retirement check coming in from the Navy and can after to buy tickets for the commute, but what I didn't want to be doing was commuting on a jump seat (too much uncertainty) to a crash pad (sounds too much like det) waiting for the phone to ring. Every airline has some sort of base, at least here I can exercise some control over the commute and plan my life once on the 7n7 schedule when finished with training.

Every airline or job has some sort of pain the first year or so. One chooses their posion. The benefits here are great, the people are great, the equipment is great, and the flying will be great. Do I like the domicile system? No, but I knew what I was getting into. Do I hope it will change? Yes. Will I jump in and help the union continue to make things better? Yes. After listening to my classmates horror stories of the 121 world, I feel like I chose wisely. Thank you IBT 1108.

And keep up the cheerleading effort NJW.

My 2 cents,
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