To all NetJets Hopefuls...

[NJACrewservicer]

Guys, you are missing my point. I am not arguing that at all....maybe the domicile issue does need re-evaluated. What I am arguing is the fact that someone told all new hires to park in the $8/day lot instead of the $6/day lot just to prove a point how powerful you guys are. THAT is what is comical.

Let me reverse the scenario. You call me on your last day and say there is an XL ferrying to your gateway. You ask if you can ride on that ferry. I say "no", just to prove to you how powerful we are. Doesn't make much sense bro. (In case some of you are wondering, we, well at least I, would never do that intentionallly without just cause.)


Look, I know what I am in for when I come on this board. It's like a Blood crack dealer dealing in the Crip hood. You guys see me as "management" and that is fine. The truth of the matter is that I am a blue collar worker just like you and I am trying to provide for my family (BTW, I have my first child on the way. Scared $hitless about that one.) I can't change what is going on with the company and the union. But, some of you guys, not all, treat me as though I am management and you take your frustrations out on me. I understand that I may be one of the bad guys in your eyes, but trust me, we all are working for the same goal. I just don't agree with parking at the $8/day lot when the $6/day lot is available. That's all.

You may continue with your beatings.

 

[x402]

Yes, I have heard of the "fuzzy math" conspiracy. Look, maybe the company does hide money....who knows. Neither you nor I have any actual evidence of this happening. (Yes, we all know about the $50 quarts of oil yada yada yada.


Wow, company hacks ready for negotiations. I love it, where's bagdag bob's icoms? I can't wait. I listened to your boss throw the FM's under the bus today and then managed to piss off an entire room full of pilots in doing so. Good luck on the second floor, you'll need it.

 

[jonjuan]

Heck we got a payraise with a loss.........

Its all smoke and mirrors. I'm just counting down the days till we start hearing that we can't make any money again.

And this lying doesn't concern you? What makes you believe that NJA is actually making money? What if they are simply moving numbers around? Do most pilots want to bet their families future on it? Disturbing. Where's NJA wife when we need her most?

 

[Cavpilot]

Maybe you shouldn't have voted in a b scale tool! You got what you wanted and sold out all that come behind you. Most new hires have no idea what they are getting into when they come here and most realize that this job is not worth the comute until it is to late. So deal with them until they find a new job because it was you who sold them out.

What makes you so sure I voted "yes"? And if I did, explain to me how I could sell someone out that has yet to work here. If a new hire is so clueless that they "have no idea what they are getting into when they come here", then I have even less sympathy.

 

[Diesel]

You ask if you can ride on that ferry. I say "no", just to prove to you how powerful we are. Doesn't make much sense bro. (In case some of you are wondering, we, well at least I, would never do that intentionallly without just cause.)

Nope doesn't bother me a bit because the airline you're going to schedule me on is going to get in late and either go past 14hrs which I won't do or get in after midnight. Either way its a good chunk of change.

Mgmt is pretty clearly defined. You are just the point of contact. Like we are with our owners.

Sometimes it sucks being the messenger.

 

[Diesel]

And this lying doesn't concern you? What makes you believe that NJA is actually making money? What if they are simply moving numbers around? Do most pilots want to bet their families future on it? Disturbing. Where's NJA wife when we need her most?

I don't really care. Paycheck keeps getting deposited.

The day it doesn't I know there is a problem.

 

[fischman]

Guys, you are missing my point. I am not arguing that at all....maybe the domicile issue does need re-evaluated. What I am arguing is the fact that someone told all new hires to park in the $8/day lot instead of the $6/day lot just to prove a point how powerful you guys are. THAT is what is comical.

Let me reverse the scenario. You call me on your last day and say there is an XL ferrying to your gateway. You ask if you can ride on that ferry. I say "no", just to prove to you how powerful we are. Doesn't make much sense bro. (In case some of you are wondering, we, well at least I, would never do that intentionallly without just cause.)


Look, I know what I am in for when I come on this board. It's like a Blood crack dealer dealing in the Crip hood. You guys see me as "management" and that is fine. The truth of the matter is that I am a blue collar worker just like you and I am trying to provide for my family (BTW, I have my first child on the way. Scared $hitless about that one.) I can't change what is going on with the company and the union. But, some of you guys, not all, treat me as though I am management and you take your frustrations out on me. I understand that I may be one of the bad guys in your eyes, but trust me, we all are working for the same goal. I just don't agree with parking at the $8/day lot when the $6/day lot is available. That's all.

You may continue with your beatings.

First of all, a sincere congrats on the new baby man! You are obviously an intellegent guy, you'll be a good parent.

FWIW, I feel that the screen readers have a thankless job and for the most part are doing thier best. Kudos to you.

Having said that, you know as well as I that people in management read this. They know how the pilots feel about the domiciles (they should by attrition alone) and maybe they think they have a bargining chip for negotiations in 2009 (they don't). Opening domiciles is solely in their power. The ONLY other thing we can do, (screaming obviously doesn't work) is to hit them where it hurts. It isn't personal, it's business.

You might find it comical, I take it seriously. QOL is a huge issue.

 

[Ultra Grump]

Let me reverse the scenario. You call me on your last day and say there is an XL ferrying to your gateway. You ask if you can ride on that ferry. I say "no", just to prove to you how powerful we are.

Actually, you'd say, "hang on, let me check with scheduling."

I understand that I may be one of the bad guys in your eyes...

Not at all. You're just the go-between. Things would be a LOT different if scheduling had to reduce themselves to actually talking to us directly.

I just don't agree with parking at the $8/day lot when the $6/day lot is available. That's all.

It's one of the few tools we have at our disposal to display our displeasure at the domicile system. The domiciles cost the company money relative to HBAs, and parking is one issue that adds to that cost. BTW, the only domicile with $6 and $8/day lots is CMH. Double it, add a couple bucks, and then you're talking about the daily cost of parking in places like LAX, PBI, and DAL.

 

[Mach92]

Guys, you are missing my point. I am not arguing that at all....maybe the domicile issue does need re-evaluated. What I am arguing is the fact that someone told all new hires to park in the $8/day lot instead of the $6/day lot just to prove a point how powerful you guys are. THAT is what is comical.

Let me reverse the scenario. You call me on your last day and say there is an XL ferrying to your gateway. You ask if you can ride on that ferry. I say "no", just to prove to you how powerful we are. Doesn't make much sense bro. (In case some of you are wondering, we, well at least I, would never do that intentionallly without just cause.)


Look, I know what I am in for when I come on this board. It's like a Blood crack dealer dealing in the Crip hood. You guys see me as "management" and that is fine. The truth of the matter is that I am a blue collar worker just like you and I am trying to provide for my family (BTW, I have my first child on the way. Scared $hitless about that one.) I can't change what is going on with the company and the union. But, some of you guys, not all, treat me as though I am management and you take your frustrations out on me. I understand that I may be one of the bad guys in your eyes, but trust me, we all are working for the same goal. I just don't agree with parking at the $8/day lot when the $6/day lot is available. That's all.

You may continue with your beatings.

My parking is $18.00 a day @ the terminal. Sometimes I use valet at $24.00 a day which is SWEET!

 

[RTRHD]

Deleated

 

[FLYLOW22]

Real smart!

I'll paraphrase RTS...."Do you want to go to the next contract negotiations with 150 Million/year in profit or 10 Million? The choice is yours."

What Diesel said AND just because the company makes a profit (and it always has/does... see smoke, mirrors and lies) why do you think they will want to share it with us... at all?

 

[FLYLOW22]

Maybe you shouldn't have voted in a b scale tool! You got what you wanted and sold out all that come behind you. Most new hires have no idea what they are getting into when they come here and most realize that this job is not worth the comute until it is to late. So deal with them until they find a new job because it was you who sold them out.

Oh well, another narrow sighted pessimist. You'd throw Miss Nevada away because she has a pimple on her right butt cheek wouldn't ya?

It's ok. I'll take her.

For the record...

The IBT 1108 represented pilots voted Yes for the following:

Voted in a B-Scale Domicile/HBA system. Yes.

Voted in significant pay increases. Yes.

Voted in STD and LTD. Yes.

Voted in 100% company paid benefits. Yes.

Voted in 50% matched 401k. Yes.

Voted in 7n7 for all who wanted it. Yes.

Voted in the ability for NJA pilots to fly at NJI. Yes.

Voted in good scope protections. Yes.

Voted in several safety programs and initiatives. Yes.



All while organizing our own Local within the IBT (not easy), making it through trusteeship within IBT (harder) and mounting an information campaign that took our message to 15 locations carried by pilots, trucks and airplanes.

Maybe a little less bull is warranted coming from the cock.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Yall are comical.

Come talk to us when you Unionize Crew Services. Until then, it's a Union thing. You wouldn't understand. (You couldn't possibly understand because you must be happy making what you make).

 

[learflyer]

Funny thread........time to start complaining till the next contract? Honeymoons over?

 

[windycty]

the original post said that newhires are complaining about the domicile thing and he is tired of hearing about it. maybe he needs to realize that the new hires are tired of hearing how bad everything used to be at net jets. i hear it from them as they ride on my airplane. most of the "senior" pilots probably came to work there because they couldn't get hired anywhere else and on top of that they had to pay for their jobs as well.

most of these guys will say how it was their responsibility that net jets is supposedly such a good place to work. however, it was such a bad place before and they made it no better by buying their jobs which in turn hurt many other pilots and helped to keep wages low.

 

[Diesel]

i hear it from them as they ride on my airplane. most of the "senior" pilots probably came to work there because they couldn't get hired anywhere else and on top of that they had to pay for their jobs as well.

you mean like fedex?

Oh by the way i didn't have to pay for my job. Cheerio

 

[TORCH67]

It's funny how people buy a house next to an airport and then complain about the noise! I got the point!!!

 

[acaTerry]

Not to sound like I've been dippin' in the Kool Aid, but I have to say that I'd put my "stuff" at NJA up against any regional and many LCC and majors right now. Especially the health, retirement and points. That said, it came only from a long hard fight by 1108, and remember that this last contract was the "big" fight, and next time around we can take care of smaller things.
Things can get better (and they will if our pilot group remains united), but I am quite happy here. After 3 airlines, I aint going back.
Now let me get back to bitchin' about my 0400 show....

 

[cocknbull]

Oh well, another narrow sighted pessimist. You'd throw Miss Nevada away because she has a pimple on her right butt cheek wouldn't ya?

It's ok. I'll take her.

For the record...

The IBT 1108 represented pilots voted Yes for the following:

Voted in a B-Scale Domicile/HBA system. Yes.

Voted in significant pay increases. Yes.

Voted in STD and LTD. Yes.

Voted in 100% company paid benefits. Yes.

Voted in 50% matched 401k. Yes.

Voted in 7n7 for all who wanted it. Yes.

Voted in the ability for NJA pilots to fly at NJI. Yes.

Voted in good scope protections. Yes.

Voted in several safety programs and initiatives. Yes.



All while organizing our own Local within the IBT (not easy), making it through trusteeship within IBT (harder) and mounting an information campaign that took our message to 15 locations carried by pilots, trucks and airplanes.

Maybe a little less bull is warranted coming from the cock.

Yes you guys barely tapped into the level of respectability for part of your pilot group. Good job, but the thread starter is complaining about new hires. There are few, if any companies besides NetJets operating with a b scale. Therefore a new hire would not understand what it is like to pay the same percentage of dues, but not be afforded the same QOL as his fellow pilots. Also most new hires who have not worked for a company like NetJets before would not understand exactly what the job is like and how hard commuting is until he actualy gets on line. After all we are the first batch of b scalers. I have warned everyone I know about the NetJets b scale and have suggested that they look elsewhere. I thank you very much for getting rid of the training contract and the free type. I will be leaving as soon as something better comes around.

I do agree with the thread starters main point and that is don't come to NetJets unless you live in one of the domiciles.

 

[Abbey]

For the newhires that are complaining about the domiciles.....why did you take the job if you knew ahead of time what the story was? I don't care who told you that you could have HBA in a year, if it is not in the contract, it is not going to happen. Maybe it will change in the next contract. Maybe you should have gotten hired sooner. It stinks that newhires are limited in the domiciles, but if you had any other job such as a teacher, doctor, or carpet cleaner, you would not accept employment in Dallas and live Rochester, NY. You would either move to Dallas or find another job in your area.

I think it is crazy that newhires take the job hoping/planning that the HBA system will change before the next contract. What if someone said, "I took the job hoping/planning that the payscales would increase by 15% all on their own before the contract is up."

If you don't like the terms of the agreement, don't accept. It is purely that simple, folks.

As far as the B scale talk, you guys must be pretty inexperienced in aviation. It wasn't too many years ago that every single major had b scales and the almighty ALPA saw nothing wrong with them.