This is why RJ Pilots are given no respect

[PudgeyDingus]

Wolfpack, remember where you were before your almighty Gulfstream? You were a little FO pulling gear in (gasp) an RJ. But you weren't one of those unprofessional types, right? Remind me again why you left Comair? And don't give me the line about actually wanting to fly for NJI.

 

[SSDD]

While this guy seems to have a chip on his shoulder, let's not dismiss what he is saying.

If you can't climb, you have to let ATC know. If both your engines flame out, you have to let ATC know, and not pretend you're going to fix it before anyone notices.

Some of us seem reluctant to admit to a potential problem until its too late.

 

[siucavflight]

Few weeks ago on Midway approach.

Chicago: Southwest XXX you have flown through your localizer.
SWA: Roger sir
Chicago: SWA XXX do you know what it means to intercept a localizer? Do you have an instrument rating?
SWA: Sorry a little bit of tailwind up here
Chicago: No matter SWA all of the people behind you are your company anyways, you let me know what you want to do and when you decide I will let your company come out of their hold.

 

[fastback]

Few weeks ago on Midway approach.

Chicago: Southwest XXX you have flown through your localizer.
SWA: Roger sir
Chicago: SWA XXX do you know what it means to intercept a localizer? Do you have an instrument rating?
SWA: Sorry a little bit of tailwind up here
Chicago: No matter SWA all of the people behind you are your company anyways, you let me know what you want to do and when you decide I will let your company come out of their hold.

Cav, that's awesome! Pretty good post, too!

 

[siucavflight]

I just kept laughing, maybe he was not a professional. My point being that everyone makes mistakes.
No one has ever talked down to me for being an RJ driver. So I am not sure the point of this thread.

 

[suupah]

I remember a time when a USairways mainline aircraft could not read back or comply with a taxi instruction correctly. the Ground controller finally asked if "Do you need No gyro vectors to your parking spot?!!!"

I think mistakes happen at all levels

 

[Papps]

This past Tuesday (20th) at around 9:45 EST, I was in route from PHOG to KTPA. Somewhere close to Houston as I was entering the Gulf I heard the following conversation and just shook my head.


ATC: Express Jet 123 (don’t remember the flight #) are you still climbing to FL260?

A/C: Roger that Houston, we picked up a little ice and had to slow the rate of climb.

ATC: I understand Express Jet, but I have other traffic near you. If you’re going to stop climbing I need you to advise of me of such next time.

A/C: Uh, we’re still showing…. Uh 800 FPM…

ATC: Well Express Jet I have a time recorded radar system which feeds off your Mode C transponder code, it’s telling me you’ve been level at FL 20100 for 3 minutes and 14 seconds. Contact Houston Center on 121.85 and let them know your intentions.


Busted! I constantly hear RJ pilots crying and moaning for respect from their peers, yet it’s this type of incident which clearly shows the lack of professional demeanor many of these pilots project. You can’t have it both ways.

that story sounds made up. If its not then the guy missed an altitude change from FL200 - FL260 and tryed to BS his way out of it. So its an altitude bust, I guess the corporate community is immune to those. You're a know it all tool. Aviation is filled with ******************************s like yourself that witness some stupid miscalculation and can't wait to get home to post it on flight info. Its the guys that think they are smarter and superior to everyone else that botch the most stuff up in the cockpit.

 

[Papps]

lol flightinfo censors words automatically. thats crazy. but your still a ******************************

 

[Papps]

By the way didn't some GV or IV guys CFIT one in aspen a few years back. I guess everyone F's up at some point.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

NO respect?!?!

Today's RJ pilot is tomorrow's mainline/corporate/frac pilot.

So whacha sayin'?

Surely you don't mean to generalize beyond this one individuals poor radio skills.

 

[siucavflight]

By the way didn't some GV or IV guys CFIT one in aspen a few years back. I guess everyone F's up at some point.

And I seem to remember a Challenger that felt that de-ice was unnecessary, surely that can not be professional.

Oh, oh, working at PWK in 96 A GIV decided that going off the runway 1000 feet into his roll meant that he should keep on going, killed all four PAX, is this professional?

 

[T-REX]

Baseball Airlines Analogy

Majors/Big Leagues-Get to play in Yankees Stadium, all suffer from Barry Bonds swollen head syndrum.

Regionals/Minor Leagues-Belong in the big leagues by now, just ask them.

Corporate/Japanese League-Utility players can hit, field, and run; small penises.

Freight/Mexican League-Can field a team with a two chidren, a pregnant lady and a goat in right field. Hell of a thing to watch!

Flight Instructors/Little League-Just wanna play ball.

Only Humor, Have a good weekend everybody.

 

[fastback]

Baseball Airlines Analogy

Majors/Big Leagues-Get to play in Yankees Stadium, all suffer from Barry Bonds swollen head syndrum.

Regionals/Minor Leagues-Belong in the big leagues by now, just ask them.

Corporate/Japanese League-Utility players can hit, field, and run; small penises.

Freight/Mexican League-Can field a team with a two chidren, a pregnant lady and a goat in right field. Hell of a thing to watch!

Flight Instructors/Little League-Just wanna play ball.

Only Humor, Have a good weekend everybody.

Too good! Thanks for that.

How about Virtual airlines/Fantasy baseball - Happy they can drink beer while enjoying their fantasy life. High crash/strikeout rates, can barely see the screen, too gummed up from all the porn.

 

[ToiletDuck]

You want respect? Own up to what your doing in your airplane

It's YOU'RE not YOUR. You want respect learn to spell above 3rd grade level.

Secondly. Just because one did it doesn't mean they all do. You are an idiot. too many words for you to understand I bet.... "your" and idiot lol.

 

[NAAPilot]

Wolfpack, Having flown corporate, then rjs, and now widebodies I have seen serious mistakes at every level. Yes we all do have to start somewhere and in case you missed it why don't you bring up the large amount of corporate accidents in the past few years. I.E Aspen, Teterboro, etc...Time to climb down off the high horse your on.

 

[siucavflight]

Wolfpack, Having flown corporate, then rjs, and now widebodies I have seen serious mistakes at every level. Yes we all do have to start somewhere and in case you missed it why don't you bring up the large amount of corporate accidents in the past few years. I.E Aspen, Teterboro, etc...Time to climb down off the high horse your on.

Well said. There are far more corporate jet accident then RJ accidents.

 

[Goose Egg]

I know this is probably asking a lot, but gosh wouldn't it be swell if we could all just respect each other as fellow pilots, instead of always letting things devolve into some kind of ego-girth peeing contest just because someone happens to get paid more or have more time or flies something bigger? I wouldn't dare treat my students that way, whether they have 4% of my total time or 20%.

But then again, there are guys out there who are just mad at the world and are going to get their undies all in a twist about whatever happens. I realize that there are good guys out there. I am a good guy. I'm going to be a good guy. I just don't understand why it always seems to have to be a prestige and austerity competition. It's no way to live.


-Goose

 

[STINKER]

It was Jetlink the COEX commuter airline. The controller told him he was level at 20,100 feet. You get the point, dont dodge the issue.

Regardless of what you "want" to hear... the guy was an idiot and tried to lie to ATC.

You want respect? Own up to what your doing in your airplane, and obey the rules. If your P.O.S. RJ cant climb through 20,000 with the anti-ice on, you've got a serious problem. But my guess (and only a guess) was he was climbing in VS, got the ice light, turned on the heat, and forgot to adjust the VS until he saw his speed falling through the floor. Why else would he stay level at for over 3 minutes?

Hey, but we all make mistakes.... So far in the last 3 years, you guys have stalled one, flamed the engines, and crashed... and ran one off the wrong runway and crashed. Both very serious accidents which clearly showed a complete lack of professionalism on the flight deck.

But I guess everybody has to start somewhere.

Quote:
Originally Posted by rumpletumbler
The guy who jumped out was probably just going outside to clean the engines out and lost his footing.

Rumpletumbler,

Your a Sh*tbag! No, make that a little smart*ss wisecracking Sh*tbag!


This was posted by Wolfpack..... but yet you yourself (Wolfpack) make outrageous insensitive comments about other pilots whats good for the goose is good for the gander...go play with yourself!

Cheers,
Stinker

 

[IronCityBlue]

good points

I know this is probably asking a lot, but gosh wouldn't it be swell if we could all just respect each other as fellow pilots, instead of always letting things devolve into some kind of ego-girth peeing contest just because someone happens to get paid more or have more time or flies something bigger? I wouldn't dare treat my students that way, whether they have 4% of my total time or 20%.

But then again, there are guys out there who are just mad at the world and are going to get their undies all in a twist about whatever happens. I realize that there are good guys out there. I am a good guy. I'm going to be a good guy. I just don't understand why it always seems to have to be a prestige and austerity competition. It's no way to live.


-Goose

You are 100% correct. Besides, most "lack of professionalism" issues are usually directly related to lack of respect for fellow aviators issues. But this guy went beyond who'se dad can beat up who. He shamlessly insulted dead and critically injured pilots who he knew personally, and he did it just to fluff up his own ego. What's more, he would NEVER have the stones to say something like that in person, and to your face he will be your best friend. Respecting the professionalism of someone like that is challenging at best.

 

[172driver]

This board would have much more intelligent, thought out posts- if instead of listing your flight time and how many little gulfstreams you fly, you had to list your email address and phone number

Not defending him, but I'm pretty sure his GIV/V is bigger than anything you have listed in your profile.

 

[Superpilot92]

I guess he doesnt want to respond back, hopefully he realized how much of a tool he is for such a post. Get over yourself. Dumb thread award!!

 

[Mesabi Miner]

This post has really opened my eyes! I have to to indeed research this event. Maybe I'll look it up in the New England Journal of Who Gives a Rats Ass.

MM

(Sorry. Just had to use that line from Scrubs!)

 

[n32jk]

It was Jetlink the COEX commuter airline. The controller told him he was level at 20,100 feet. You get the point, dont dodge the issue.

Regardless of what you "want" to hear... the guy was an idiot and tried to lie to ATC.

You want respect? Own up to what your doing in your airplane, and obey the rules. If your P.O.S. RJ cant climb through 20,000 with the anti-ice on, you've got a serious problem. But my guess (and only a guess) was he was climbing in VS, got the ice light, turned on the heat, and forgot to adjust the VS until he saw his speed falling through the floor. Why else would he stay level at for over 3 minutes?

Hey, but we all make mistakes.... So far in the last 3 years, you guys have stalled one, flamed the engines, and crashed... and ran one off the wrong runway and crashed. Both very serious accidents which clearly showed a complete lack of professionalism on the flight deck.

But I guess everybody has to start somewhere.

Someone has to start somewhere,,,,,, why don't you start by biting my A##$% I went to the regional airlines over 20 years ago because the corporate operations were not very professional... they had thier own little magazine and would sit around the lounges talking about that tight minimums approach they shot 6 months ago..... pretty amusing to a freight dog who hadn't seen the ground above 200 feet in the last two weeks... You want me to quote the corporate accident records for the last 30 years???? A lot more stupidity there and in your shiny little corporate jets especially..... Don't start this crap.... I have more history to throw in your face than you can handle about corporate professionalism.....

 

[foreverfo]

Calm down man..tsk...tsk...

 

[jonjuan]

It was Jetlink the COEX commuter airline. The controller told him he was level at 20,100 feet. You get the point, dont dodge the issue.

Regardless of what you "want" to hear... the guy was an idiot and tried to lie to ATC.

You want respect? Own up to what your doing in your airplane, and obey the rules. If your P.O.S. RJ cant climb through 20,000 with the anti-ice on, you've got a serious problem. But my guess (and only a guess) was he was climbing in VS, got the ice light, turned on the heat, and forgot to adjust the VS until he saw his speed falling through the floor. Why else would he stay level at for over 3 minutes?

Hey, but we all make mistakes.... So far in the last 3 years, you guys have stalled one, flamed the engines, and crashed... and ran one off the wrong runway and crashed. Both very serious accidents which clearly showed a complete lack of professionalism on the flight deck.

But I guess everybody has to start somewhere.

Yes, but every one of ExpressJets aircraft is still in service-never had a hull loss. The same can't be said for NetJets. Uhhhohhhhhh......

 

[dojetdriver]

I like puppies.

 

[hawaiimei]

Yes, but every one of ExpressJets aircraft is still in service-never had a hull loss. The same can't be said for NetJets. Uhhhohhhhhh......

Actually we have one that was a total loss, no fatalities. It is now on display on JFK Blvd as a crew emergency trainer. Lost in the old school days of using an actual airframe for training flights.

 

[Corbon]

It was Jetlink the COEX commuter airline. The controller told him he was level at 20,100 feet. You get the point, dont dodge the issue.

Regardless of what you "want" to hear... the guy was an idiot and tried to lie to ATC.

You want respect? Own up to what your doing in your airplane, and obey the rules. If your P.O.S. RJ cant climb through 20,000 with the anti-ice on, you've got a serious problem. But my guess (and only a guess) was he was climbing in VS, got the ice light, turned on the heat, and forgot to adjust the VS until he saw his speed falling through the floor. Why else would he stay level at for over 3 minutes?

Hey, but we all make mistakes.... So far in the last 3 years, you guys have stalled one, flamed the engines, and crashed... and ran one off the wrong runway and crashed. Both very serious accidents which clearly showed a complete lack of professionalism on the flight deck.

But I guess everybody has to start somewhere.

Ever notice when your climbing that you may have a headwind at the lower altitudes that suddenly starts to turn around into a tailwind up higher? Notice what your airspeed does as the wind shifts around to the tail and increases as you maintain a constant VS or are you too busy writing down ATC to RJ transmissions? Now combine that, the A/I system on and being heavy and you can lose airspeed rapidly enough that it takes a decent reduction in VS to get it back. Pending how much airspeed was lost, it may even require a level off until they get back to climb speed. Sure, they should have notified ATC they were having a problem climbing but I hardly see it as a safety issue. ATC could have just as easily said:

"Jetlink 1234 I need you level at FL260 in 4 minutes or less, if unable please advise"

"Uh...unable"

"Jetlink 1234 amend altititude, climb and maintain FL 230"

I'm guessing they'd know they couldn't do it, would say so, and receive an amended clearance. Not to blame the controller but it seems like he was just kind of waiting to call them out.

As far as throwing out RJ crashes to prove your point, that's just bad karma.

 

[trip]

I have also heard many unprofessional controller comments latley that did not need to be made, why our they so quick to chime in with a snide comment when a pilot misses somthing? I cannot recall a similiar comment being directed towards a controller's er made by a pilot of any craft. Sounds like some have a serious chip on the shoulder.

 

[Ezralite]

This past Tuesday (20th) at around 9:45 EST, I was in route from PHOG to KTPA. Somewhere close to Houston as I was entering the Gulf I heard the following conversation and just shook my head.


ATC: Express Jet 123 (don’t remember the flight #) are you still climbing to FL260?

A/C: Roger that Houston, we picked up a little ice and had to slow the rate of climb.

ATC: I understand Express Jet, but I have other traffic near you. If you’re going to stop climbing I need you to advise of me of such next time.

A/C: Uh, we’re still showing…. Uh 800 FPM…

ATC: Well Express Jet I have a time recorded radar system which feeds off your Mode C transponder code, it’s telling me you’ve been level at FL 20100 for 3 minutes and 14 seconds. Contact Houston Center on 121.85 and let them know your intentions.


Busted! I constantly hear RJ pilots crying and moaning for respect from their peers, yet it’s this type of incident which clearly shows the lack of professional demeanor many of these pilots project. You can’t have it both ways.

Dear God's Gift to Aviation,

Is your short man's ego hurting now that you've been owned by half of FlightInfo.com? And you just had to mention that Hawaii to Tampa flight even though it had absolutely no relevance to the story, eh? How did you ever manage to attain a position of such glorious prominence without making a mistake? You must be a truly great man. By the way, at 4-9 in the ACC the Wolfpack have been owned nearly as much as you have.