This is why RJ Pilots are given no respect

[fastback]

Busted! I constantly hear RJ pilots crying and moaning for respect from their peers, yet it’s this type of incident which clearly shows the lack of professional demeanor many of these pilots project. You can’t have it both ways.

Hey Turdpack, I can't count how many times corporate pilots have just totally housed up approach clearances, fix names, and basic IFR instructions. I'm sure at least a couple of them were Gulfstream drivers.

This is not a negative characterization of all or even most corporate pilots. Really appreciate the courtesy of pilots out there who not only handle their aircraft competently, but also will cancel early if they hear someone on center trying to get in or out. But I have a feeling you do not fit into this majority [something about throwing stones in a glass house].

Oh yeah, like someone else already posted, you're an idiot, Expressjet uses the callsign "Jetlink". If you're my peer, I'm not moaning for your respect [that's your life partner].

 

[SkyBoy1981]

If its not your cockpit, or even your company, why do you give a damm enough to come here and create a thread about it? I mean, really, you're a Gulfstream pilot right? Why would you care other than simply to enhance your own ego? I mean, if I were flying a G550 I think I would have better things to concern myself with...like what kind of catering is on board or how bad my sunburn is from three days in Hawaii. Why do ego-maniacs like yourself end up with all of the good jobs? I don't get it.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

It was Jetlink the COEX commuter airline. The controller told him he was level at 20,100 feet. You get the point, dont dodge the issue.

Regardless of what you "want" to hear... the guy was an idiot and tried to lie to ATC.

You want respect? Own up to what your doing in your airplane, and obey the rules. If your P.O.S. RJ cant climb through 20,000 with the anti-ice on, you've got a serious problem. But my guess (and only a guess) was he was climbing in VS, got the ice light, turned on the heat, and forgot to adjust the VS until he saw his speed falling through the floor. Why else would he stay level at for over 3 minutes?

Hey, but we all make mistakes.... So far in the last 3 years, you guys have stalled one, flamed the engines, and crashed... and ran one off the wrong runway and crashed. Both very serious accidents which clearly showed a complete lack of professionalism on the flight deck.

But I guess everybody has to start somewhere.

 

[Flyer1015]

You want respect? Own up to what your doing in your airplane, and obey the rules. If your P.O.S. RJ cant climb through 20,000 with the anti-ice on, you've got a serious problem. But my guess (and only a guess) was he was climbing in VS, got the ice light, turned on the heat, and forgot to adjust the VS until he saw his speed falling through the floor. Why else would he stay level at for over 3 minutes?

Hey, but we all make mistakes.... So far in the last 3 years, you guys have stalled one, flamed the engines, and crashed... and ran one off the wrong runway and crashed. Both very serious accidents which clearly showed a complete lack of professionalism on the flight deck.

But I guess everybody has to start somewhere.

With a post like that, you are not exactly the best person who should comment on 'professionalism.'

The fact that you rip not only on all RJ pilots, but also on RJs themselves ("your POS RJ" comment) CLEARLY shows you have grudge against regional airlines and pilots.

 

[SkyBoy1981]

It was Jetlink the COEX commuter airline. The controller told him he was level at 20,100 feet. You get the point, dont dodge the issue.

Regardless of what you "want" to hear... the guy was an idiot and tried to lie to ATC.

You want respect? Own up to what your doing in your airplane, and obey the rules. If your P.O.S. RJ cant climb through 20,000 with the anti-ice on, you've got a serious problem. But my guess (and only a guess) was he was climbing in VS, got the ice light, turned on the heat, and forgot to adjust the VS until he saw his speed falling through the floor. Why else would he stay level at for over 3 minutes?

Hey, but we all make mistakes.... So far in the last 3 years, you guys have stalled one, flamed the engines, and crashed... and ran one off the wrong runway and crashed. Both very serious accidents which clearly showed a complete lack of professionalism on the flight deck.

But I guess everybody has to start somewhere.

Shall we go through the NTSB records and look up all of the corporate aviation accidents in the past year? Nah....we won't. I don't have that much free time on my hands.

 

[inbound]

It was Jetlink the COEX commuter airline. The controller told him he was level at 20,100 feet. You get the point, dont dodge the issue.

Regardless of what you "want" to hear... the guy was an idiot and tried to lie to ATC.

You want respect? Own up to what your doing in your airplane, and obey the rules. If your P.O.S. RJ cant climb through 20,000 with the anti-ice on, you've got a serious problem. But my guess (and only a guess) was he was climbing in VS, got the ice light, turned on the heat, and forgot to adjust the VS until he saw his speed falling through the floor. Why else would he stay level at for over 3 minutes?

Hey, but we all make mistakes.... So far in the last 3 years, you guys have stalled one, flamed the engines, and crashed... and ran one off the wrong runway and crashed. Both very serious accidents which clearly showed a complete lack of professionalism on the flight deck.

But I guess everybody has to start somewhere.

So they didnt hire you and your stuck flying corporate....MOVE ON!

 

[SkyBoy1981]

Alright, hell, you talked me into it:

http://ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20070129X00102&key=1
http://ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20061208X01761&key=1
http://ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20061114X01639&key=1
http://ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20061101X01596&key=1
http://ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20060725X01011&key=1
http://ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20060802X01078&key=1

Thats just a few. I only got about halfway through the year before I got tired of looking. Now, could I do the same thing and search for RJ accident/incidents and find plenty of those? I'm sure I could. But hey, I'm not the one that claims to be perfect. XJT pilots make plenty of mistakes, so do pilots at every regional and major airline...and every corporate flight department. Why should any of us less than perfect beings be held accountable to the anonymous "gods" of flightinfo?

 

[check6]

And wolfpackpilot's point is what? Everyone here makes mistakes, but comparing accident rates between RJs and business jets is irrational.

 

[check6]

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[SkyBoy1981]

Nevermind...