This is why RJ Pilots are given no respect

[wolfpackpilot]

This past Tuesday (20th) at around 9:45 EST, I was in route from PHOG to KTPA. Somewhere close to Houston as I was entering the Gulf I heard the following conversation and just shook my head.


ATC: Express Jet 123 (don’t remember the flight #) are you still climbing to FL260?

A/C: Roger that Houston, we picked up a little ice and had to slow the rate of climb.

ATC: I understand Express Jet, but I have other traffic near you. If you’re going to stop climbing I need you to advise of me of such next time.

A/C: Uh, we’re still showing…. Uh 800 FPM…

ATC: Well Express Jet I have a time recorded radar system which feeds off your Mode C transponder code, it’s telling me you’ve been level at FL 20100 for 3 minutes and 14 seconds. Contact Houston Center on 121.85 and let them know your intentions.


Busted! I constantly hear RJ pilots crying and moaning for respect from their peers, yet it’s this type of incident which clearly shows the lack of professional demeanor many of these pilots project. You can’t have it both ways.

 

[inbound]

Ya and I could quote some f-up made by mainline........ Whats your point? We all screw up, Ill be the first to admit it.

 

[pilotlbs]

And I hear a UAL 737 on the ramp, calls rampers on a completely different gate "morons" because he was new and having a tough time pushing a plane back. Professional? I don't think so, so why is it just RJ drivers? That doesn't happen to anyone else? No one else is unprofessional? Busted? Geezzz

 

[flyf15]

I'd have trouble climbing past FL20100 if I had ice too!

All kidding aside, when you're hiring pilots that have never spent good solid time in the IFR system before their first airline job, you can't expect them to have the foggiest clue about how to talk to ATC. At my regional, I am downright embarassed by some of the crap I hear on the radio from pilots with our callsign. Not intentionally, just from a complete lack of knowledge, experience, and maturity.

When hired, many of these pilots don't know anything more about communicating with ATC than what is required to go to a Class D field to do touch and goes.... and it shows. It reflects a lot more on the airline than the pilot. The next time you're on the radio and you sound like an idiot, try to remember that you're representing everyone that carries your callsign to ATC, to your coworkers, to other airlines, and just about anyone else who wants to listen in. If you don't know how to do it any better, don't guess, don't make stuff up, don't try to BS a controller, don't copy what other equally uneducated peers of you say... go out and read a copy of the AIM / Pilot-Controller Glossary.

 

[ApocketA's_145]

hey, dumbass!! nice try, if your thinking about expressjet airlines, maybe you would know that their call sign in JETLINK!!! not ezpressjet. You could be thinking about EXPRESSNET!! which isnt a 121 operation. Next time u make up a story, get facts right.... like atleast get the right callsign..hahah

This past Tuesday (20th) at around 9:45 EST, I was in route from PHOG to KTPA. Somewhere close to Houston as I was entering the Gulf I heard the following conversation and just shook my head.


ATC: Express Jet 123 (don’t remember the flight #) are you still climbing to FL260?

A/C: Roger that Houston, we picked up a little ice and had to slow the rate of climb.

ATC: I understand Express Jet, but I have other traffic near you. If you’re going to stop climbing I need you to advise of me of such next time.

A/C: Uh, we’re still showing…. Uh 800 FPM…

ATC: Well Express Jet I have a time recorded radar system which feeds off your Mode C transponder code, it’s telling me you’ve been level at FL 20100 for 3 minutes and 14 seconds. Contact Houston Center on 121.85 and let them know your intentions.


Busted! I constantly hear RJ pilots crying and moaning for respect from their peers, yet it’s this type of incident which clearly shows the lack of professional demeanor many of these pilots project. You can’t have it both ways.

 

[Flyer1015]

ATC: Express Jet 123

I question the validity of the story. The callsign is Jetlink for ExpressJet.

FL 20100

Flight levels don't go that high.

Even if they did, what the heck is an ERJ doing at 20,100,000 feet?

Is this the new inter-galactic shuttle? So THAT'S what ExpressJet has been planning to do with their surplus ERJs. Doh!

 

[inbound]

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I question the validity of the story. The callsign is Jetlink for ExpressJet.



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Flight levels don't go that high.

Even if they did, what the heck is an ERJ doing at 20,100,000 feet?

Is this the new inter-galactic shuttle? So THAT'S what ExpressJet has been planning to do with their surplus ERJs. Doh!

So what your saying is he's the reason?..... Agreed!!!

 

[Flyer1015]

I guess so. But I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, and wait for a response from him to see what he has to say.

 

[pipejockey]

hey, dumbass!! nice try, if your thinking about expressjet airlines, maybe you would know that their call sign in JETLINK!!! not ezpressjet. You could be thinking about EXPRESSNET!! which isnt a 121 operation. Next time u make up a story, get facts right.... like atleast get the right callsign..hahah

Apocket, you oughta practice what you preach. Expressnet is a part 121 supplemental airline. Next time u make up a story, get facts right!

 

[relief tube]

why did you feel the need to include the airline name? Great way to hijack your own thread. Outstanding

 

[fastback]

Busted! I constantly hear RJ pilots crying and moaning for respect from their peers, yet it’s this type of incident which clearly shows the lack of professional demeanor many of these pilots project. You can’t have it both ways.

Hey Turdpack, I can't count how many times corporate pilots have just totally housed up approach clearances, fix names, and basic IFR instructions. I'm sure at least a couple of them were Gulfstream drivers.

This is not a negative characterization of all or even most corporate pilots. Really appreciate the courtesy of pilots out there who not only handle their aircraft competently, but also will cancel early if they hear someone on center trying to get in or out. But I have a feeling you do not fit into this majority [something about throwing stones in a glass house].

Oh yeah, like someone else already posted, you're an idiot, Expressjet uses the callsign "Jetlink". If you're my peer, I'm not moaning for your respect [that's your life partner].

 

[SkyBoy1981]

If its not your cockpit, or even your company, why do you give a damm enough to come here and create a thread about it? I mean, really, you're a Gulfstream pilot right? Why would you care other than simply to enhance your own ego? I mean, if I were flying a G550 I think I would have better things to concern myself with...like what kind of catering is on board or how bad my sunburn is from three days in Hawaii. Why do ego-maniacs like yourself end up with all of the good jobs? I don't get it.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

It was Jetlink the COEX commuter airline. The controller told him he was level at 20,100 feet. You get the point, dont dodge the issue.

Regardless of what you "want" to hear... the guy was an idiot and tried to lie to ATC.

You want respect? Own up to what your doing in your airplane, and obey the rules. If your P.O.S. RJ cant climb through 20,000 with the anti-ice on, you've got a serious problem. But my guess (and only a guess) was he was climbing in VS, got the ice light, turned on the heat, and forgot to adjust the VS until he saw his speed falling through the floor. Why else would he stay level at for over 3 minutes?

Hey, but we all make mistakes.... So far in the last 3 years, you guys have stalled one, flamed the engines, and crashed... and ran one off the wrong runway and crashed. Both very serious accidents which clearly showed a complete lack of professionalism on the flight deck.

But I guess everybody has to start somewhere.

 

[Flyer1015]

You want respect? Own up to what your doing in your airplane, and obey the rules. If your P.O.S. RJ cant climb through 20,000 with the anti-ice on, you've got a serious problem. But my guess (and only a guess) was he was climbing in VS, got the ice light, turned on the heat, and forgot to adjust the VS until he saw his speed falling through the floor. Why else would he stay level at for over 3 minutes?

Hey, but we all make mistakes.... So far in the last 3 years, you guys have stalled one, flamed the engines, and crashed... and ran one off the wrong runway and crashed. Both very serious accidents which clearly showed a complete lack of professionalism on the flight deck.

But I guess everybody has to start somewhere.

With a post like that, you are not exactly the best person who should comment on 'professionalism.'

The fact that you rip not only on all RJ pilots, but also on RJs themselves ("your POS RJ" comment) CLEARLY shows you have grudge against regional airlines and pilots.

 

[SkyBoy1981]

It was Jetlink the COEX commuter airline. The controller told him he was level at 20,100 feet. You get the point, dont dodge the issue.

Regardless of what you "want" to hear... the guy was an idiot and tried to lie to ATC.

You want respect? Own up to what your doing in your airplane, and obey the rules. If your P.O.S. RJ cant climb through 20,000 with the anti-ice on, you've got a serious problem. But my guess (and only a guess) was he was climbing in VS, got the ice light, turned on the heat, and forgot to adjust the VS until he saw his speed falling through the floor. Why else would he stay level at for over 3 minutes?

Hey, but we all make mistakes.... So far in the last 3 years, you guys have stalled one, flamed the engines, and crashed... and ran one off the wrong runway and crashed. Both very serious accidents which clearly showed a complete lack of professionalism on the flight deck.

But I guess everybody has to start somewhere.

Shall we go through the NTSB records and look up all of the corporate aviation accidents in the past year? Nah....we won't. I don't have that much free time on my hands.

 

[inbound]

It was Jetlink the COEX commuter airline. The controller told him he was level at 20,100 feet. You get the point, dont dodge the issue.

Regardless of what you "want" to hear... the guy was an idiot and tried to lie to ATC.

You want respect? Own up to what your doing in your airplane, and obey the rules. If your P.O.S. RJ cant climb through 20,000 with the anti-ice on, you've got a serious problem. But my guess (and only a guess) was he was climbing in VS, got the ice light, turned on the heat, and forgot to adjust the VS until he saw his speed falling through the floor. Why else would he stay level at for over 3 minutes?

Hey, but we all make mistakes.... So far in the last 3 years, you guys have stalled one, flamed the engines, and crashed... and ran one off the wrong runway and crashed. Both very serious accidents which clearly showed a complete lack of professionalism on the flight deck.

But I guess everybody has to start somewhere.

So they didnt hire you and your stuck flying corporate....MOVE ON!

 

[SkyBoy1981]

Alright, hell, you talked me into it:

http://ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20070129X00102&key=1
http://ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20061208X01761&key=1
http://ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20061114X01639&key=1
http://ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20061101X01596&key=1
http://ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20060725X01011&key=1
http://ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20060802X01078&key=1

Thats just a few. I only got about halfway through the year before I got tired of looking. Now, could I do the same thing and search for RJ accident/incidents and find plenty of those? I'm sure I could. But hey, I'm not the one that claims to be perfect. XJT pilots make plenty of mistakes, so do pilots at every regional and major airline...and every corporate flight department. Why should any of us less than perfect beings be held accountable to the anonymous "gods" of flightinfo?

 

[check6]

And wolfpackpilot's point is what? Everyone here makes mistakes, but comparing accident rates between RJs and business jets is irrational.

 

[check6]

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[SkyBoy1981]

Nevermind...