They are selling like NOT cakes

[SCT]

"And yeah, artificial feel $ucks."

G200, I met a women in EGGB one night and came to the same conclusion.

SCT

 

[HMR]

Kinda like saying gear-up accidents happen because the gear swings up.

Ha! I was thinking that same analogy.

I could never understand why they were fighting the AP? I remember during FA50 initial someone mentioned one of the Greek captains had previously flown a 737(?) that allowed the pilot to override the AP with control inputs.
I don't know if that's true but every AP I've ever flown from a C172 to the Falcon will trim against control wheel inputs and result in a "confused" aircraft. If the Arthur Q is a bad design, improperly trained pilots making serious errors doesn't help.

 

[G100driver]

I think they all died because there was an unsecured, unapproved airline type beverage cart in the aisle that became a 400+lb pointy metal hammer when these guys decided to fight the autopilot......gotta love that!
:smash:

Yea that would leave a mark!uke:

 

[G100driver]

Ha! I was thinking that same analogy.

I could never understand why they were fighting the AP? I remember during FA50 initial someone mentioned one of the Greek captains had previously flown a 737(?) that allowed the pilot to override the AP with control inputs.
I don't know if that's true but every AP I've ever flown from a C172 to the Falcon will trim against control wheel inputs and result in a "confused" aircraft. If the Arthur Q is a bad design, improperly trained pilots making serious errors doesn't help.

In a previous aircraft I flew you could hold down the pitch synch. It would disconnect the A/P pitch while you pushed or pulled the yoke to a desired pitch attitude.

 

[AA717driver]

Airline-type auto pilots can be overridden with about 40lbs. of force. How much trim gets put in depends on how quickly you reach that force. TC

 

[falconpilot]

In a previous aircraft I flew you could hold down the pitch synch. It would disconnect the A/P pitch while you pushed or pulled the yoke to a desired pitch attitude.

I've flown a few planes like that.. Its called TCS (Touch Control Steering). I still think it was inproper autopilot use... Ive flown the aircraft with the "Q" stuck in the low speed mode... I would like to know what the checklist said before the A.D came out about the speed restriction... There is an "Arthur Q" anunciator light on the panel that illuminates when there is a disagreement between airspeed and the position of the Q. If it had failed the pilots should have known about it... And if the light was on.... And there was no procedure in the checklist at that time for it... Common sense should have taken over... Hmmm flight control problem.??? Maybe I shouldn't descend at 355 kts...

 

[HMR]

In a previous aircraft I flew you could hold down the pitch synch. It would disconnect the A/P pitch while you pushed or pulled the yoke to a desired pitch attitude.

I used to fly a piston twin with that feature. It worked great.

 

[gunfyter]

I really miss the TCS feature.

But then it took me a while before I did not miss having a Trim wheel until I learned to love TCS.

 

[TXDA2000]

The occilations continued because the PF had his hands on the yoke.