They are selling like NOT cakes

[G4G5]

You East Coast guys are way too high strung.

I'm gonna go over to the Regional forum and scream "Go Jets" in a crowded theatre... TC

P.S.--We're gonna start coming into HPN soon instead of EWR so's you best watch yo a$$!

Come on over to Avitat, this way Bill can see his old buddies and you can check up on my aircraft, were the ones parked in the corner with an inch of dust on the wings.

 

[HMR]

Then you know that I don't work................. I just broke 200 hours for the year, the stress is killing me, it's time to take a vacation.........

That's what you get for flying a G-Stream. We took delivery of our Falcon in April and have flown it exactly 14.1 hours. I'm ready for a vacation from the vacation.

 

[rice]

All of you SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:smash:
300+ hrs in the books so far and at least another 75 planned for the rest of '06. But the best is the more than 120 RON's so far. Can't wait for the next European CF in Oct.
Now back to your regularly scheduled biatching. Thanks for listening.

 

[GEXDriver]

And in the other part because it's a more comfortable aircraft for the passengers.

Uh, no. The other part is that because we supply components to every aircraft manufacturer, the brass feels like we have to have aircraft from each of them.

You know our Global is just inches wider than our GIV and the very first thing I see our passengers do is slide the seats accross the aisles closer together then cant them towards each other so they can talk more intimately. This instantly negates any real difference in the width of the cabins.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

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You know our Global is just inches wider than our GIV and the very first thing I see our passengers do is slide the seats accross the aisles closer together then cant them towards each other so they can talk more intimately. This instantly negates any real difference in the width of the cabins.

now theres one of the better things I've read here!

"honey, lets take the smaller one, its more Intimate"

Thats right up there with Capt Denials of the corp world who explains that they run an old Citation because the boss prefers "small ramp prescence"

nothing wrong with it, just stop kidding yourself!

"intimate conversations"...what ya running there GEX, the Love Boat?



:smash:

 

[falconpilot]

In both cases it was the [SIZE=-1]Arthur Q units (which is an artificial feel system) that caused the mishap. This is ironic in that it was pilots that caused this system to be installed. Early Falcon pilots thought that the airplane was too light on the controls and petitioned Dassault to do something about it. Their response was the Arthur Q system.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]There is no similar system on a Gulfstream. Gulfstream flight controls are unique among large aircraft in that not only can the jet be flown with jammed flight controls and hydraulic hardovers, but also with a complete hydraulic failure.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]GV[/SIZE]

Please explain how the Arthur Q could cause this problem... I always heard it was a mistrim, or an autopilot problem... Plus even if the Arthur Q was stuck in the low speed mode, I dont think it would have caused this. And compared to a Gulfstream they are light on the controls.. Don't hate them cause they feel like a sports car instead of a dump truck... Falcons also can be flown with complete Hyd failures. My theory has always been; Everything Gulfstream has done with power; Falcon did with aerodynamics.
No disrespect I just gotta fight for my plane.

 

[miles otoole]

You know our Global is just inches wider than our GIV and the very first thing I see our passengers do is slide the seats accross the aisles closer together then cant them towards each other so they can talk more intimately. This instantly negates any real difference in the width of the cabins.

The why the GXXX?

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Then you know that I don't work................. I just broke 200 hours for the year, the stress is killing me, it's time to take a vacation.........

How's my buddy SL doing?

you got more hours than me this year Mr NeverFly.

198hrs and 60 RONs to date. End of the year looks rather busy though....Shiiit..

:bawling:



and I aint even gonna touch the last question...

 

[Groundpounder]

You whiney old farts, be happy you fly something that has a real bathroom and you can get up and walk around. Not that I am complaining, I like the C550, it just gets kind of cramped after a while.

 

[G100driver]

GV

I gotta ask how the Q was at fault when both pilots were pushing against the auto-pilot?

 

[SkyGirl]

GV

I gotta ask how the Q was at fault when both pilots were pushing against the auto-pilot?

I think his point is that if a component (such as this "Q" thing) is not required or installed on your airplane, then it's impossible for you to mess it up. Anyway, that's what I got out of it.


_SkyGirl_

 

[G100driver]

GV

I gotta ask how the Q was at fault when both pilots were pushing against the auto-pilot?

Respectfully, I am all ears.

 

[GVFlyer]

GV

I gotta ask how the Q was at fault when both pilots were pushing against the auto-pilot?

Sure, in both cases the oscillations continued after the autopilot was disengaged.

The mishap could not have occured on a Gulfstream (as SkyGirl suggested), because there are no artificial feel systems required or installed on Gulfstream products. Futhermore, if I pull hard enough against the autopilot, it just decides that I really want to fly the airplane and simply disengages with no further consequences.

Here are the details:

On October 9, 1999 a Dassault Mystere Falcon 900B, operated by Amway Corp experienced a series of violent pitch oscillations, while the aircraft was in a steady descent, at 355 KIAS until about 10900 feet with the auto-pilot mode discrete indicating engage.

The Co-Pilot, who was the pilot flying, pulled back on the airplane control column to initiate the level off without disengaging the autopilot. At that point the aircraft pitch increased from about 2.75 degrees nose down to about 1.5 degrees aircraft nose up in one second with the auto-pilot still engaged. The aircraft then immediately pitched over to approximately 4 degrees nose down and the auto-pilot mode was no longer engaged. The pitch oscillations subsequently continued between about 3 degrees nose up and 4.5 degrees nose down. The aircraft load factor followed the aircraft pitch attitude and reached magnitudes between +3.3g and -1.2g.

The Co-Pilot reported that when he relaxed the back stick pressure on the control column, the airplane pitched nose down, a series of four pitch oscillations occurred, before the airplane was brought into control.

Following the preliminary report, D.G.A.C. - France issued on 17 November 1999 the A.D. no. 1999-464-029(B) which limits the airspeed to 260 KIAS or MI 0.76 in case of Arthur Q unit failure for Mystère Falcon 50, 900B and 900EX.



Here's the link to the rather detailed accident report for the Greek Falcon mishap.


The main purpose of the report was to find out what caused the aircraft pitch oscillations which led to death and injury of the passengers.The pitch oscillations began while the A/P was still engaged and continued after the A/P disengagement. It is was important to establish if these oscillations could have been induced by the A/P, why the A/P disengaged and why oscillations continued after A/P disengagement.


http://www.bea.aero/docspa/1999/sx-...ch="Final report accident Falcon 900B SX-ECH"


GV









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[G100driver]

Thanks.

I still seems like both failures were a direct result of improper auto-pilot use. The question should be asked, would all these people had die if the crew was properly trained?

Kinda like saying gear-up accidents happen because the gear swings up.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Thanks.

I still seems like both failures were a direct result of improper auto-pilot use. The question should be asked, would all these people had die if the crew was properly trained?

Kinda like saying gear-up accidents happen because the gear swings up.

I think they all died because there was an unsecured, unapproved airline type beverage cart in the aisle that became a 400+lb pointy metal hammer when these guys decided to fight the autopilot......gotta love that!

I heard that thing looked like a slaughterhouse.

And yeah, artificial feel $ucks.

:smash: