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rjcap said:
Hey RJCap,
It really doesn't matter what the Chit pilots are paid (and I hope you got a great contract). We at ASA will probably never grow much again. DAL doesn't have any money to buy new aircraft for us. Even if they did have the cash, they won't do anything with us until our contract is settles and our management gets it act together.
citdrver
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I just have to laugh at Embraerdriver....................dude chill out........these guys are just expressing opinions from thier exprience at other companies that are in the same industry as you!!!!
You must be one heck of a company man..........you can not handle any other remarks remarks than those that give you a warm fuzzy about your company and your pilots
You must be one heck of a company man..........you can not handle any other remarks remarks than those that give you a warm fuzzy about your company and your pilots
Britpilot
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ERJpusher said:
See I told you that you had the date wrong.
I know exactly what is going on at my own company, I have been there over five years. Belive me I really don't care what is going on at other companys and I am certainly not going to "worry" about it.
I was responding to YOUR post that was directed at my company.
When XJT posts over one billion dollars in revenue this year you can bet we want a slice of the pie for making that happen, after all, we are part of the "Go Forward" plan.
We do not intend to "price ourselves out of the market" we do require, however, a contract that is industry leading not following.
Glad you got a TA that is in third place, nice work.
Thanks for the link, but I have had a copy of this document since the original IPO.
Maybe I will give your moronic posts some credibilty after you figure out that you what is going on at your company.
Have a nice day.
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Skull-One
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Good job, EC. You guys fought an uphill battle and this definitely sounds like an improvement from where we were three years ago. I await the details...
One thought to ponder... Our pay rates may be third, but the work rules could bring our take home pay to first. The flat rate isn't always a good indicator of what you'll make.
Yes or no, I will be weighing my vote carefully. I trust others will do the same and the collective intelligence of the pilot group will hold sway...
One thought to ponder... Our pay rates may be third, but the work rules could bring our take home pay to first. The flat rate isn't always a good indicator of what you'll make.
Yes or no, I will be weighing my vote carefully. I trust others will do the same and the collective intelligence of the pilot group will hold sway...
brew3departure
Da Bears...Bears...Bears
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Hmmm....
Far be it from me to consider this message board a slice of reality - I'll just throw out a few things to consider.
First of all, I haven't seen the TA - no one has, sans the EC, Management and maybe a few others. So ALL of this, except for the juicy details leaked from the outline that we were given, is really speculation.
Everyone who is SO concerned about getting "an industry leading contract" - take a good f'ing look in the mirror. Everyone who works for an airline who has recently taken concessions raise your hand. Yeah. A lot of hands raised. To those who haven't, count yourself lucky. You are in the minority. The airline I used to fly for had terrible, horrible pay - still does. And, believe it or not, those pilots signed a concessionary agreement. Do I fault them for that? No I don't - each situation is different.
If the few details that are released are true, we get raises, more per diem, and RETAIN a lot of the things that were already pretty good (days off, block or better, no JA'ing).
The amount of Mesa bashing that has gone on here is enough to fill fifty books - but the issue was sign an agreement or lose the farm to Freedom, right? Well, for all those naysayers, we managed to head off Republic -AND- we still received significant gains and did not sign a concessionary contract.
No one has mentioned, too, that for larger aircraft, our rates are _supposedly_ industry leading. Whomever that Jetson guy is should probably check into that.
I'm not flaming anyone, I'm not looking to stir the pot. It just amazes me how worked up people get, especially people who don't fly for CHQ, about "being in 3rd place." Good grief - get a life. And again - anyone who's contract is coming up for negotiation who thinks they're going to get Comair + whatever, if you can get it, godspeed to ya -- I, for one am happy that we went forward, instead of backwards.
And the Teamsters vs. ALPA b.s. - give me a break. These organizations are only as good as the Negotiating Committee, counsel and EC/MEC's. ALPA, Teamsters, your mom - it doesn't matter. They serve the _same_ purpose - perhaps my only criticism of ALPA is what I see as a conflict of interest - representing mainline folks and regionals - but it's the PEOPLE, NOT the union who should be praised. Our EC and pilot group should be commended. Anyone who thinks otherwise, well, it's a free country right?
Take care,
-brew3
Far be it from me to consider this message board a slice of reality - I'll just throw out a few things to consider.
First of all, I haven't seen the TA - no one has, sans the EC, Management and maybe a few others. So ALL of this, except for the juicy details leaked from the outline that we were given, is really speculation.
Everyone who is SO concerned about getting "an industry leading contract" - take a good f'ing look in the mirror. Everyone who works for an airline who has recently taken concessions raise your hand. Yeah. A lot of hands raised. To those who haven't, count yourself lucky. You are in the minority. The airline I used to fly for had terrible, horrible pay - still does. And, believe it or not, those pilots signed a concessionary agreement. Do I fault them for that? No I don't - each situation is different.
If the few details that are released are true, we get raises, more per diem, and RETAIN a lot of the things that were already pretty good (days off, block or better, no JA'ing).
The amount of Mesa bashing that has gone on here is enough to fill fifty books - but the issue was sign an agreement or lose the farm to Freedom, right? Well, for all those naysayers, we managed to head off Republic -AND- we still received significant gains and did not sign a concessionary contract.
No one has mentioned, too, that for larger aircraft, our rates are _supposedly_ industry leading. Whomever that Jetson guy is should probably check into that.
I'm not flaming anyone, I'm not looking to stir the pot. It just amazes me how worked up people get, especially people who don't fly for CHQ, about "being in 3rd place." Good grief - get a life. And again - anyone who's contract is coming up for negotiation who thinks they're going to get Comair + whatever, if you can get it, godspeed to ya -- I, for one am happy that we went forward, instead of backwards.
And the Teamsters vs. ALPA b.s. - give me a break. These organizations are only as good as the Negotiating Committee, counsel and EC/MEC's. ALPA, Teamsters, your mom - it doesn't matter. They serve the _same_ purpose - perhaps my only criticism of ALPA is what I see as a conflict of interest - representing mainline folks and regionals - but it's the PEOPLE, NOT the union who should be praised. Our EC and pilot group should be commended. Anyone who thinks otherwise, well, it's a free country right?
Take care,
-brew3
See I told you that you had the date wrong.
I know exactly what is going on at my own company, I have been there over five years. Belive me I really don't care what is going on at other companys and I am certainly not going to "worry" about it.
I was responding to YOUR post that was directed at my company.
When XJT posts over one billion dollars in profit this year you can bet we want a slice of the pie for making that happen, after all, we are part of the "Go Forward" plan.
We do not intend to "price ourselves out of the market" we do require, however, a contract that is industry leading not following.
Glad you got a TA that is in third place, nice work.
Thanks for the link, but I have had a copy of this document since the original IPO.
Maybe I will give your moronic posts some credibilty after you figure out that you what is going on at your company.
Have a nice day.
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Jetlinking
You guys are going to post a one billion dollar profit? My ass. If you do, I will personally spend money out of my own pocket to buy you hookers to do whatever you want! You've been watching too much Austin Powers. Maybe I will give YOUR MORONIC posts some credibility once you get the "Billion Dollar Profit" thing out of your oversized head. I would expect these kind of comments from the French, not the Brits.
I know exactly what is going on at my own company, I have been there over five years. Belive me I really don't care what is going on at other companys and I am certainly not going to "worry" about it.
I was responding to YOUR post that was directed at my company.
When XJT posts over one billion dollars in profit this year you can bet we want a slice of the pie for making that happen, after all, we are part of the "Go Forward" plan.
We do not intend to "price ourselves out of the market" we do require, however, a contract that is industry leading not following.
Glad you got a TA that is in third place, nice work.
Thanks for the link, but I have had a copy of this document since the original IPO.
Maybe I will give your moronic posts some credibilty after you figure out that you what is going on at your company.
Have a nice day.
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Jetlinking
You guys are going to post a one billion dollar profit? My ass. If you do, I will personally spend money out of my own pocket to buy you hookers to do whatever you want! You've been watching too much Austin Powers. Maybe I will give YOUR MORONIC posts some credibility once you get the "Billion Dollar Profit" thing out of your oversized head. I would expect these kind of comments from the French, not the Brits.
Britpilot,
I was unaware that being French or British made you a part of a particular race. I guess I will have to go back to sensitivity class, because that is a new one to me. I sincerely apologize if I have offended any of my British friends. As for the French, screw 'em.
Corbon,
Yes, indeed! Those are the girls I'm talking about! You should've been there last night. There were boobies everywhere! Must have been something in the water 'cuz I haven't seen that many boobie flashes since I watched Girls Gone Wild with a couple of beers, a bottle of lotion, a bag of Cheetos, and a blow up sheep doll!
All in good fun!
I was unaware that being French or British made you a part of a particular race. I guess I will have to go back to sensitivity class, because that is a new one to me. I sincerely apologize if I have offended any of my British friends. As for the French, screw 'em.
Corbon,
Yes, indeed! Those are the girls I'm talking about! You should've been there last night. There were boobies everywhere! Must have been something in the water 'cuz I haven't seen that many boobie flashes since I watched Girls Gone Wild with a couple of beers, a bottle of lotion, a bag of Cheetos, and a blow up sheep doll!
All in good fun!
Piedmont DHC-8
FUK ALPA & USAirways Mgt
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contract carriers now hear this!
All you contract pansies piss off. You are the reason we are in this mess as an industry. I work for Piedmont, and our lively hood is at stake because Mesa, Cha, TSA, and frickin Midway, Colgan and the rest of you frickin contract boy pricks are taking our jobs. So go f*ck yourself all over the CLT terminal. I don't want to hear any more of your BS about substandard wages, and per diem and the rest of your substandard sh*ty contracts.
All you contract pansies piss off. You are the reason we are in this mess as an industry. I work for Piedmont, and our lively hood is at stake because Mesa, Cha, TSA, and frickin Midway, Colgan and the rest of you frickin contract boy pricks are taking our jobs. So go f*ck yourself all over the CLT terminal. I don't want to hear any more of your BS about substandard wages, and per diem and the rest of your substandard sh*ty contracts.
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