The Skybus Innaugural flight yesterday....

[temcgrew]

Wrong!! Airbus captains should be making what the market and economics dictate! Why should they be making at least 100k? Because at one time legacy carriers paid captains well into the several 6 figures? There is a long line of pilots willing to fly for 65k as a captain. Guess what, that means an airbus captain should be making 65k!! You can't just throw out a number like 100k. Like I said earlier in the thread, this job is a trade skill and today's salaries reflect that. New start up airlines as well as legacies that have gone through Ch 11 realize this. I think SWA will soon follow (to an extent). With rising fuel prices and consumer demand for lower fares, carriers can't find any other ways to increase operating margins. Of course they are going to go after labor.

The market should dictate what the past has proven to be a proper income for a trained proffesional. What other proffesion has fluctuations in pay like we do? Oh, I forgot, other buisnesses raise the price of the product instead of offering a $10 root canal, apendectamy, or legal representation. For that matter, there is a high school kid in my neighborhood that could make $65k if she taught piano full time!! Don't try to defend a pitiful startup. Who will be the next startup to make that pay look good?

 

[Dizel8]

Round Trip Depart: Columbus, OH toSeattle/Vancouver (Bellingham, WA)Wed, Jul. 11, 2007: Flight 270Leaves - 7:00 AMArrives - 8:42 AM Return: Seattle/Vancouver (Bellingham, WA) toColumbus, OHWed, Jul. 18, 2007: Flight 271Leaves - 9:07 AMArrives - 4:17 PM
Prices

Passenger 1$455.00Taxes & Fees* $20.80
Total price of this trip: $475.80Amount Due: $475.80*Government taxes and other fees we're required to collect.

So guess the fares are high enough, maybe the pilots should ask for a raise!

 

[Flybet3]

If I did start an airline I wouldn't hire former Shame-Train pilots THAT is for sure !!

What about all the *********that fly a G4 for 70K a year, or fly a lear for 36K a year? Who's going to reject them for lowering the bar?

 

[chperplt]

Flybet3.... Got it all figured out do ya. Watch the name calling.

 

[Flybet3]

Flybet3.... Got it all figured out do ya. Watch the name calling.

yes master....****

 

[chperplt]

yes master....*****

Once again she opens her mouth to let everyone know what a stellar person she is.

 

[Shrek]

yes master....****

Shame-Train wannabe or even worse..........crew member.

 

[CA1900]

So, back on topic:

Do you think the flight attendants pool their commissions, or do they get into a big hair-pulling match trying to get to your seat first?

Could be fun to watch...

 

[AA717driver]

Ok. I took a GV job that paid $85k. I was losing my CA job (and FO job, too) at TWA. I guess I should have gone bankrupt and lost my house, car and pulled my kid out of her school just so you guys can sleep well at night.

The idea is to get Skybus people up to where they should be--making as much money as they can. If you continue to sling $h!t at them, they will circle the wagons and NEVER unionize or push for better pay like JB did.

The goal we should be pursuing is to eliminate opportunities for management to take advantage of desperate pilots. You will never prevent startups from hiring people to fly big airplanes for low pay. But you can keep it from being permanent.

I venture to say that most of the $65k CA's didn't get into aviation yesterday. They got F'ed by ALPA, by mangement, by the bankruptcy courts, etc. They have most likely paid their dues and have nothing to show for it. The pilot group (as a whole) abandonned them, so they have no reason to give a crap what we think.

Talk to them on the jumpseat. Let them know it's THEIR management we have a problem with and that we're willing to help them get organized and bring them up to where they should be. TC

 

[HA25]

What about all the *********that fly a G4 for 70K a year, or fly a lear for 36K a year? Who's going to reject them for lowering the bar?

you have got to be the biggest idiot on FI.com..

as for Skybus.. I hate Skybus, what more is there to say, but I admit the video was nice, and bifocals don't bother me one bit!

 

[HA25]

For some reason, it reminds me of this one:

http://www.skyhighairlines.com/main.asp


Be sure to click on the "Free Range Fare Finder"...

That has to be absolutely the funniest thing I've seen on here in a while. It would be even more funny if some of it wasn't more or less true!

 

[Flybet3]

you have got to be the biggest idiot on FI.com..

Would you like to explain? or would you rather just go ahead and (edit) me!


Mod input: Same reason as below. Don't do it again. Third strike and your out.

 

[Flybet3]

Ok. I took a GV job that paid $85k. I was losing my CA job (and FO job, too) at TWA. I guess I should have gone bankrupt and lost my house, car and pulled my kid out of her school just so you guys can sleep well at night.

The idea is to get Skybus people up to where they should be--making as much money as they can. If you continue to sling $h!t at them, they will circle the wagons and NEVER unionize or push for better pay like JB did.

The goal we should be pursuing is to eliminate opportunities for management to take advantage of desperate pilots. You will never prevent startups from hiring people to fly big airplanes for low pay. But you can keep it from being permanent.

I venture to say that most of the $65k CA's didn't get into aviation yesterday. They got F'ed by ALPA, by mangement, by the bankruptcy courts, etc. They have most likely paid their dues and have nothing to show for it. The pilot group (as a whole) abandonned them, so they have no reason to give a crap what we think.

Talk to them on the jumpseat. Let them know it's THEIR management we have a problem with and that we're willing to help them get organized and bring them up to where they should be. TC

One of the most honest posts I've read in a long time! Well said. Some of these hypocritical (edit) keep trying to act as if they would rather go to Burger King and make 7.50 and hour then take a temporary 65K a year job.


Mod Input: The T.O.S. of flight info specifically state that using creative spelling for curse words in prohibited. Do you think we just put the censors in because we have nothing better to do with our time?

 

[Guitar Guy]

One of the most honest posts I've read in a long time! Well said. Some of these hypocritical as*holes keep trying to act as if they would rather go to Burger King and make 7.50 and hour then take a temporary 65K a year job.

What would be your opinion of someone, though, who left a captain slot at a regional or perhaps was a pilot for a fractional who went to Skybus? Those guys weren't faced with a "7.50 and hour" job".

And out of curiosity, Flybet3, are you a Skybus pilot? No flames intended, just asking a question.

 

[Flybet3]

What would be your opinion of someone, though, who left a captain slot at a regional or perhaps was a pilot for a fractional who went to Skybus? Those guys weren't faced with a "7.50 and hour" job".

And out of curiosity, Flybet3, are you a Skybus pilot? No flames intended, just asking a question.

To answer your first question bud...
What do I think about someone who flew for a fractional/regional and went to skybus? Well, this is my point of view....Have you ever heard the saying "There are always two sides of the story"? Before I start judging someone and start accusing him of being a scab or whatever, I would like to hear as to why he left a maybe better paying job? wether he/she did it for all the "right" reasons or not he/she made his decision. It'll catch up to him/her if he/she made the wrong decision.
Yeah there are some people that buy their jobs, or wh*re them selfs to get ahead, that's pretty much at every profession. Only bit**ing and complaining will not solve the problem, or not to mention being a di**. What other companies do (Skybus, GoJets, Virgin America) shouldn't matter to us, that's them. We have to fight to keep OUR employers in check, and keep them from trying to lower the bar even more! Trying to fix the whole airline industry is like trying to change everyone's human nature. It's like this, why try to fix your neighbor's family and bad habits when you have to keep your family in check and keep your bad habits in check.
We need to take care of OUR jobs, and if our management tries to pull something WE (co-workers at my company) have to fight for what's best for us. American pilots need to take care of American pilots, United pilots need to take care of United pilots, Eagle pilots need to take care of Eagle pilots...and so on and so forth. Everyone needs to stop blaming Skybus pilots, or skybus itself for OUR management's bull**it and OUR pilot groups slack!

Now to answer your second question..................(drumroll)...................
NO, I am noooooo were near a Skybus pilot. Dont plan to, and will never be. I dont want to move my family out of my home (texas) to relocate somewhere that's not home, and well, the salary isnt that great either
But like I said, just because I have my reasons for not going to skybus, or gojets it doesnt mean I'm gonna start denying anyone that works there jumpseat. Their employment doesnt affect me, and if it does at some point b/c my management screwes me....well then that means my company sucked after all and it doesnt do me any good work for them. But sooooo far so Good. So there ya go brotha :beer: Salud!