The Skinny on the Age 60 Rule

[FoxHunter]

Fox,

It doesn't matter how many people you ask at FedEx about flying past 60. We voted on the issue and the results were plain. If anything, they were fixed the other direction by not allowing probation guys to vote. If the vote turned out the other way, I wouldn't have liked it, but I wouldn't have quit. Sorry to say this, but you're just flat out selfish.

There was never a vote, just a poll. Big Difference.

 

[FoxHunter]

Selfish is right..Foxhunter benefitted from the age 60 rule for his upgrade..even if it was 80 yrs ago..now he wants to screw the younger guys and delay their upgrade while penalizing pilots who want to retire at 60 with possible penalties..noone talks to him anyway...i could understand his view if he was at an airline that trashed their retirement...but the only reason he wants to keep flying is that the longer he flies the longer the ex does not get his retirement $...SELFISH IS RIGHT

Selfish??? Looks like the younger guys are the selfish ones. Just let me make up my furlough time. Nah, I really don't want to work to age 68.

 

[CaptainMark]

Selfish??? Looks like the younger guys are the selfish ones. Just let me make up my furlough time. Nah, I really don't want to work to age 68.

i am already a widebody captain...are you saying i'm selfish because i would like to have junior guys to be afforded the chance to upgrade like you and me were? that's not selfish..i want to retire early anyway...seriously though..it seems like the choice depends on ones situation..bottom line is...WHATEVER!...we'll vote and continue to vote..and i'm sure there will be an increase in the retirement age over the rest of my career...

 

[seefive]

Yeah a poll doesn't count. Grow up!

 

[MECH]

FOXHUNTER

Your informal poll actually backs up the data collected by the wilson polling center. The numbers were split with younger pilots supporting the age 60 rule and older pilots wanting it changed.

But ALPA repersents all pilots and when the totals were added up almost 60% of ALPA pilots wanted to keep the age 60 limit. The majority rules. It is no different then the presidential election.

 

[pilotyip]

Then all of the ALPA pilots should put age 60 retirement in their contracts, and let the rest of world make their own choices

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

Your bickering arguments have grown tedious..... Now's the time on Sprockets when we DANCE!

 

[Purpledog]

But ALPA repersents all pilots and when the totals were added up almost 60% of ALPA pilots wanted to keep the age 60 limit. The majority rules. It is no different then the presidential election.

We still one eventhough they excluded 10% of the pilot group, probationary members & furloughees from voting in the poll. How can anyone say that it was slanted towards the status quo side. If they let those vote it would have been even higher. If they were going to exclude that group they should have excluded everyone over 50 as well.

 

[b757driver]

I have 20 years left and I support the repeal of this rediculous rule. From what I have read, there is no basis for it other than airline execs back in the 50's or 60's that wanted to lop off the senior folks. Yes, it may delay my upgrade a bit, but guess what, it's not all about me! Give people the option to work past 60. From senior pilots I have spoke with, most say they would still probably retire at 60, some said they might stay to 62 and that's about it.

While every pilot has known that the retirement age is 60, many have gone through several furloughs, family emergencies or things outside of their control that take their plan for life and turn it upside down. If you want to retire at 60 then go, but give others who may not be as fortunate as you the option.

Wow, what a sensible suggestion! Are you sure you are on the correct thread, nay board?? You are actually suggesting that we should not all have a herd mentality and it's not about you? Wow, I never knew that freedom of choice existed or that bad things happen to good people.

Change is always hard to take but some are better at it than others - because they have had more experience at it!!

 

[pilotyip]

B757drvr, a nice touch of reality to a pilot me centric board.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

Is there a difference between telling people they can't be a pilot because they're too old, or because they're black, or female? No. It's all discrimination.

Oh, in case you think it's a safety issue? The FAA has done a number of studies. NONE has shown that older pilots are inherently unsafe. In fact, the only conclusive studies have shown that the over age 60 pilots are safer than the ones under 60.

Cliff
GRB

PS-When the FAA/AA made the age 60 rule, they didn't have any scientific information to help make an age cutoff, they just pulled the number out of their a$$. That's why, even today, it still stinks of discrimination.

 

[Phaedrus]

Is there a difference between telling people they can't be a pilot because they're too old, or because they're black, or female? No. It's all discrimination.

Just plain wrong. Again, a believer that discrimination is a 4-letter word. Too tired to go into it...must...drink...beer.

 

[Clyde]

Personally I wish they would lower it. Make it 55, I would love to retire early without taking a penalty. I have to stick it out 5 extra years just so I don't take it in the shorts in retirement.

 

[The Prussian]

I have to stick it out 5 extra years just so I don't take it in the shorts in retirement.

Clyde....and what's your reasoning???

 

[GuppyWN]

You have to be 16 to get a drivers license. 23 for an ATP. 18 to vote. 35 to be president. Is that discrimination as well?

Gup

 

[scoreboard]

No, those are experience minimums. It's not like at 60 you have to much experience.

 

[sandman2122]

Then why does the "Age 60 proposed ammendment" direct at least one of the pilot's be less than 60?

Obviously not a safety issue ------- riiiiiiiiight.

 

[The Prussian]

Then why does the "Age 60 proposed ammendment" direct at least one of the pilot's be less than 60?

Obviously not a safety issue ------- riiiiiiiiight.

I didn't hear safety mentioned anywhere...just that ICAO did it that way.

 

[Saabslime]

No, those are experience minimums. It's not like at 60 you have to much experience.

No, you don't have too much experience but you're cognative ability to draw upon that experience starts to diminish. I don't hear the air traffic controllers whining about being forced out early but I guess some pilots feel entitled to make up the rules as they see fit for their own personal benefit.

 

[scoreboard]

No, you don't have too much experience but you're cognative ability to draw upon that experience starts to diminish. I don't hear the air traffic controllers whining about being forced out early but I guess some pilots feel entitled to make up the rules as they see fit for their own personal benefit.

I hear ya, I was responding to the minimum question above. Maximums for brain ability (can only spell cognative if i cheat) probably would be a good idea, rather than Dr Almostdeadhimself trying to hear if you have a pulse

I'd love to take an early out, i'm with you there. But I don't think we as pilots make any rules, It'll be whatever ICAO/FAA agree on. Just rolling with the punches babe.