The real plan mgmt has for the future at Pinnacle

[suupah]

Dear lord, the more I read this garbage the more I think putting up with commuting to a turboprop at Colgan (lets not fool ourselves, that is what management plans to do, simply keep Colgan but with Mesaba's name til the next crash) is better than living with the BS that the Pinnacle guys have resigned to accepting...

I don't think so. CJC is coming apart. Our mgmt is in over their heads. Our performance and brand is in the Ditch and we routinely receive notice from CAL. Without new leadership and culture we're doomed and I'm pretty sure Pncl mgmt knows that there is better more capable talent at xj headquartrs

 

[Smarta$$]

Dear lord, the more I read this garbage the more I think putting up with commuting to a turboprop at Colgan (lets not fool ourselves, that is what management plans to do, simply keep Colgan but with Mesaba's name til the next crash) is better than living with the BS that the Pinnacle guys have resigned to accepting...

What are we "resigned to accept"???

 

[Smarta$$]

Hope the have been, they deserve it.

Glad your quoting me from over 11 days ago, and before the last negotiation session though.

Doesn't matter how many days ago. You were specifically warned that we were having our time intentionally wasted by 9E management. You didn't want to hear it. We will still be quoting your ignorant (head in the sand) statements 6 months from now.

You don't get to just dismiss your naive statements simply because they were "11 days ago".

 

[CptMurf]

Doesn't matter how many days ago. You were specifically warned that we were having our time intentionally wasted by 9E management. You didn't want to hear it. We will still be quoting your ignorant (head in the sand) statements 6 months from now.

You don't get to just dismiss your naive statements simply because they were "11 days ago".

I could care less what you think of me personally nor do I care if you quote me 20 years from now.

The context has changed with negotiations failing... 9E going it alone won't help.

 

[Smarta$$]

I could care less what you think of me personally nor do I care if you quote me 20 years from now.

The context has changed with negotiations failing... 9E going it alone won't help.

Spin it however you want. You were told it WOULD fail, and you didn't want to hear it.

 

[RJLoser]

Not walking with the 9E guys/gals makes a pretty bold statement.

 

[gojo]

Spin it however you want. You were told it WOULD fail, and you didn't want to hear it.

Well in my mind when one believes something will fail, guess what you get?

Failure

 

[CptMurf]

Spin it however you want. You were told it WOULD fail, and you didn't want to hear it.

Email I just got said they just TAd a couple more sections. Doesn't seem like they have "failed" yet. But it does seem that you want it to fail. Which is a position I do not and will not agree with.

 

[bri5150]

Email I just got said they just TAd a couple more sections. Doesn't seem like they have "failed" yet. But it does seem that you want it to fail. Which is a position I do not and will not agree with.

Thank you for being the voice of reason on here Cpt. If it weren't for your posts, I would be going absolutely insane.

 

[skyguy40]

Email I just got said they just TAd a couple more sections. Doesn't seem like they have "failed" yet. But it does seem that you want it to fail. Which is a position I do not and will not agree with.

I think the problem is, non pinnacle folks see this as progress. I am a pinnacle fo and what I see is a delay strategy. Its like pinnacle management is chipping away at a mountain with a very small chipping hammer. You see small chips as progress but we see a huge mountain still, delay strategy. If management stops and there is no longer any progress, then we could go in a different direction. But they don't want that so we will keep getting these very small chips at that mountain.

Its not that we want failure, we/I just want real progress. I think the delay (slow progress) is just to get us through the holidays. Then Management will have a NEW plan of attack. Watch for it and remember my words!

I don't like the picketing we will be doing as I think it only makes the passengers mad at us not management, but its too bad we were divided before we could ever be united.

Ok, rant over.

 

[Smarta$$]

Nope, do NOT want it to fail. I WANT it to succeed. But refuse to be lulled into a false sense of optimism again. I said before, if this does finally work, it will be due to a legitimate business need on the part of the company. They have failed to recognize many legitimate business needs in the past, and are showing many of the same signs now.

Hope it works, not gonna put my head in the sand pretending they will GIVE us anything worth having (which is the XJ strategy, not to mention many 9E pilots). On the other hand, it seems many 9E pilots might finally be ready to give a little push.

 

[GRAAB HIRBOUBI]

Its not that we want failure, we/I just want real progress. I think the delay (slow progress) is just to get us through the holidays.

I think the 9E pilot group got management through the holidays by picking up all the 200% open time. Imagine the pressure your group would have legally placed on management if the pilots hadn't covered the flying.

You're right it's much more effective to picket...in between flights.

Something I'd like you to think about. 9E pilots decide management isn't negotiating in good faith. 9E pilots go to the NMB and tell their tales. Management says we were working on a joint contract between 9e, 9l, and xj. Look how far we've come in a short time. NMB tells everybody to go back to the table...

Remember keep picking up that open time

 

[SEVEN]

Not walking with the 9E guys/gals makes a pretty bold statement.

Yes it does.....but I'll take the advice of XJ MEC anyday over 9E.

 

[RJLoser]

You are the first ALPA group ever to not support a fellow pilot group. Like where your MEC is taking you?

 

[gojo]

And everything else your doing to help the company out. Remember there is clear written guidance from both the company and the FAA in regards to maintence write-ups, taxi speeds, flying fatigue or sick.
The company will NOT be very motivated to get this resolved if performance numbers are good. Look what happened to Fredom when their numbers started to slide. That's the only kind of pressure Pinnacle corp is likely to respond to.

 

[gojo]

You are the first ALPA group ever to not support a fellow pilot group. Like where your MEC is taking you?

As I said in another post, it could also be said your group is not supporting the other TWO groups. But hey, maybe you could also put up another billboard

 

[redflyer65]

Its amazing to me that there are actually people that think progress is being made. Really?

The company is wanting things back from this current 1999 contract.
Things like call in honest, much higher medical premiums, and no min-day if you fly a prop, etc, etc, etc.

Not only are things not moving forward, but the company is "taking it back".

Unbelievable.

 

[gojo]

Its amazing to me that there are actually people that think progress is being made. Really?

The company is wanting things back from this current 1999 contract.
Things like call in honest, much higher medical premiums, and no min-day if you fly a prop, etc, etc, etc.

Not only are things not moving forward, but the company is "taking it back".

Unbelievable.

As I said, the communications are very different between XJ and 9E

 

[CptMurf]

You are the first ALPA group ever to not support a fellow pilot group. Like where your MEC is taking you?

Seems this is NOT supported by more than just XJ. Do you like where your MEC is taking you?

 

[GRAAB HIRBOUBI]

So XJ is caving by not picketing, yet 9E are so noble in the fight by picketing while at the same time picking up all the flying they can? I guess I really don't get it.

The 2 emails I have gotten today say positive things. I will go with that.

Have fun picketing.