The real plan mgmt has for the future at Pinnacle

[CptMurf]

hmmmm.

 

[Flyer1015]

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[CubanSmoker]

Oops.. Already posted

 

[whaleroast]

I think a good topic of discussion should be the better theme song: One Day at a Time or The Fall Guy. Pat Harrington is the best hair dryer guy but the fall guy theme song kicked ass.

 

[altimaklr]

Delayed again for another week. I guess all the XJ guys who are "in the know" must be scratching their heads?

Lots of progress has been made. Yada yada. Keep believing this crap until the holidays are over, and then prepare for all hell to break lose when they stop playing ball and transferring airplanes.

 

[1.3XVso]

9E pilots what else do you need in order to flip this place upside down? I mean phukin goodness ASA got there ******************** by being united and doing something!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[big shacks]

ATLMAKR..I'm scratching my head..I've been scratching it for months....to team up with a Troll like you....... God help us!

 

[CptMurf]

Delayed again for another week. I guess all the XJ guys who are "in the know" must be scratching their heads?

Lots of progress has been made. Yada yada. Keep believing this crap until the holidays are over, and then prepare for all hell to break lose when they stop playing ball and transferring airplanes.

Didn't surprise me one bit. The only reason I scratch my head is why were not together on this.... This is the part that benefits both of us. SLI discussions should be fun (*sarcasm*).

 

[altimaklr]

I've talked to my reps and I've talked with our negotiators. These are my friends... I've flown with them in both seats on 3 different airplanes, I've gotten drunk with them, I've upgraded with them, I've downgraded with them, they have never lied to me, and have no reason to. They have all told me, the negotiations are going well, and that it has been eye opening to both 9E negotiators and mgmt. in how XJ negotiators and our lawyer approach contract items. The timeline was tight (45 days does not equal 45 days at the table), and somewhat unrealistic. But they are optimistic that it will be done by the 2nd.

So, are they optimistic about next week too?

Were you around when XJ gave pinnacle pilots 1:3 years during that SLI?

 

[CptMurf]

So, are they optimistic about next week too?

Were you around when XJ gave pinnacle pilots 1:3 years during that SLI?

Yes, they are optimistic it will be done...soon. But they are DETERMINED to do it correctly. That is more important do me than a couple of days.

Might want to talk to one of those individuals, there are plenty still around. It was NOT an SLI. If it were we wouldn't be doing this now, would we?

 

[DoinTime]

Yes, they are optimistic it will be done...soon. But they are DETERMINED to do it correctly. That is more important do me than a couple of days.

Doesn't seem that the problems lay with the detail work. The problem is that PNCL executives are a bunch of cheap a-holes. Most of the financial and big work rule issues are still open. Doesn't that tell you something?

 

[redflyer65]

The problem is that PNCL executives are a bunch of cheap a-holes.

This might have something to do with 2000+ days since the ammendable date!

 

[altimaklr]

Doesn't seem that the problems lay with the detail work. The problem is that PNCL executives are a bunch of cheap a-holes. Most of the financial and big work rule issues are still open. Doesn't that tell you something?

Exactly. If things were going to get done, they would have been able to TA a major section by now, not just the fluff ones.

 

[CptMurf]

Doesn't seem that the problems lay with the detail work. The problem is that PNCL executives are a bunch of cheap a-holes. Most of the financial and big work rule issues are still open. Doesn't that tell you something?

Those are the last item negotiated in ANY contract.

Some sections bogged them down
ie. Section 1 (specifically scoping out a 3rd party "Corp")
Training and Testing Section (specifically who's doing the training "contract or inhouse")
There were a lot of new concepts to your past negotiations and foriegn to mgmt, which we (XJ JCBA negotiators) were going to be unwaivering on.

What do you guys want? Do you want the JCBA to fail? Or will you be unhappy no matter what?

These volunteers have done an OUTSTANDING job given the short time frame. They are close and I believe we all will be happy with the outcome. Please support them and let them finish.

I still stand by my earlier statement, "It will be done when it's done." Mgmt. wants it done as much or more than we do, and there will be SERIOUS finacial repercussions if it is not done....and soon.

 

[DoinTime]

There were a lot of new concepts to your past negotiations and foriegn to mgmt, which we (XJ JCBA negotiators) were going to be unwaivering on.

You do realize that Mesaba management is at the table, right? Seems that if you're negotiators are going to be "unwavering" on certain issues that these negotiations may extend out for a very long time. I wouldn't anticipate that PNCL executives won't wait for this deal forever.

...there will be SERIOUS finacial repercussions if it is not done....and soon.

Serious repercussions for who?