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Originally Posted by B-J-J FighterCorporate sounds fun and all, and from what many of you guys are saying it pays very well. However I just do not want to carry someone's bags, matter of fact I want someone to carry my bags.Listen to the echo's on this thread....stay were you are and you will get exactly what you deserve, a union and ALPA !!! This is the corporate thread..I would like to believe most of us have succeeded on our own because we believe in ourselves and our abilities. My final point is I am very comfortable helping our passengers with their needs not because they expect it but because they are my guests when on our aircraft. Hopefully, you can appreciate this.
 
HawkerF/O said:
Pilots were White Slaves? Why was it necessary for you to even mention a race? Why? Good thing there are no Black pilots. Hispanic or Asain pilots either. I didn't know pilots were only white.

Lead Sled, I don't EVER want to hear you talking/whining about how some black, woman, or hispanic is getting a job when there is some poor qualified white guy that gets passed over. It's that type up unintenional thing that "slips out" that reveals the real you. It's because of things like that that minorities get preference at times. Why don't you think about what you say and do so the playing field can be leveled.

I'm not a "black/white" guy. You don't know me, but there are a couple of folks on here that do, and they've never heard me talk about blacks get this or whites get this. Not my style. But what you said was out of line. Normally, I would have given you the benefit of the doubt, but because you specifically said "white slave" when refering to a group of pilots in general who you don't know, that let me know your thoughts were intentional and infcat they were.


whoa! easy fella! - shift to decaf, relax, and cruise that new NBAA website a bit. You will come back relaxed.
 
HawkerF/O said:
Pilots were White Slaves? Why was it necessary for you to even mention a race? Why? Good thing there are no Black pilots. Hispanic or Asain pilots either. I didn't know pilots were only white.

Lead Sled, I don't EVER want to hear you talking/whining about how some black, woman, or hispanic is getting a job when there is some poor qualified white guy that gets passed over. It's that type up unintentional thing that "slips out" that reveals the real you. It's because of things like that that minorities get preference at times. Why don't you think about what you say and do so the playing field can be leveled.

I'm not a "black/white" guy. You don't know me, but there are a couple of folks on here that do, and they've never heard me talk about blacks get this or whites get this. Not my style. But what you said was out of line. Normally, I would have given you the benefit of the doubt, but because you specifically said "white slave" when refering to a group of pilots in general who you don't know, that let me know your thoughts were intentional and infcat they were.
Hells bells man talk about taking 2 + 2 and ending up with 5 (or in your case 1,345.65.)

Yes, I specifically used the phrase "white slave" not as a racial thing, but because it was the actual phrase that I've heard over the years by airline guys describing the "typical" corporate job. My most recent experience was, a few months back, when a senior FEDEX captain acquaintance was telling me why my job must suck. (That just shows how little he knows. :D ) I have also heard the term mentioned in context of slaving away in the office, kitchen, school, etc or being treated as a slave - most teenagers in referring to how their parents treat them. By the way, and for the record, according to recent news broadcasts (San Diego area), white slavery is alive and well - in the form of abduction for prostitution. (Yet another aeronautical connection - PFT anyone?)

In the words of that great humanitarian...
Groundpounder said:
Lighten up, Francis.

For all you other liberals out there, If I offended you I am sorry. It was unintentional and there were definitely no racial innuendos intended. Get over it.

'Sled
 
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Gulfstream 200 said:
imagine for a moment..

paying ALPA dues when you make less than a Mcdonalds drive thru worker.

(but Im not carrying my bosses bag dang it! - Im NOBODYS bitch!)

LOL! :D

Yeah, when I was getting started, I didn't want to "fetch" bags and coffee either.

But I grew up... ;) TC
 
AA717driver said:
LOL! :D

Yeah, when I was getting started, I didn't want to "fetch" bags and coffee either.

But I grew up... ;) TC


I hear ya TC...and really....whats the extent of this bag thing...

the most I have done is loading as line guys pass them up to the baggage area or taking one for a pax who has thier arms full leaving the cabin, thus freeing up thier hands to hold onto the rail and not fall down the stairs..then at the bottom 99% of them want to take the bag back - at that point we simply walk them to the car and place them in the trunk and say bye....

Whats wrong with that? common courtesy and service.. -if that pays me 100K+ more than the average regional puke my age....call me yo' biatch.

I gots no pride.
 
Sorry for the flame material, I didn't mean for it to come out that way. I was 6 beers and 2 shots of tekillya deep when I posted that.
 
B-J-J Fighter said:
Corporate sounds fun and all, and from what many of you guys are saying it pays very well. However I just do not want to carry someone's bags, matter of fact I want someone to carry my bags.

That's funny...I often have tossed a bag or two (or 20 once) when the passengers are standing in the jetway waiting on gate checks. Gate agents, rampers, and passengers alike are all thankful for an extra hand or two. I have also helped my FA serve drinks on a 2 hour ground stop when we were off the gate on the taxiway. And yes, <gasp>, I have even helped clean the cabin (but I didn't wear blue gloves). :D

-Neal
 
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B-J-J Fighter said:
Sorry for the flame material, I didn't mean for it to come out that way. I was 6 beers and 2 shots of tekillya deep when I posted that.


Ah...beer and tekillya.....that explains it!




:)
 
Gulfstream 200 said:
I hear ya TC...and really....whats the extent of this bag thing...

Oh, man! How about one of the Missus' friends--I swear her suitcases are loaded with bowling balls! And the 6 foot long "doggie ramps" that I took yesterday so the puppies can 'gracefully' climb up on the bed. Or the boxes of supplies we're taking to the new house--in Bel Air! It's Bel Air, not Belize! :rolleyes:

I swear, the next Gulfstream we get should have a cargo door up front like the Navy has. That or just get a C-130... :rolleyes:

Oh well, the life of a 'family' pilot! :D TC
 
Funny, no one's said a word about the old biffys that needed to be pulled out of the airplane and dumped. :puke:(I know this smiley is the wrong "end", but you guys know what I mean.) I don't know what I liked better - getting to fly airplanes that had single-point fueling or "single-point" potty dumping. :D

'Sled
 
AA717driver said:
Oh, man! How about one of the Missus' friends--I swear her suitcases are loaded with bowling balls! And the 6 foot long "doggie ramps" that I took yesterday so the puppies can 'gracefully' climb up on the bed. Or the boxes of supplies we're taking to the new house--in Bel Air! It's Bel Air, not Belize! :rolleyes:

I swear, the next Gulfstream we get should have a cargo door up front like the Navy has. That or just get a C-130... :rolleyes:

Oh well, the life of a 'family' pilot! :D TC

Try loading 500 - 600lbs of dead ducks and geese, 8 people and all off their sh!t from a weeks long hunt in Canada, into a Hawker 700. And then have the wildlife moron in Great Falls, MT make you unload it all so he can check the birds to make sure no-one killed any endagered birds.:eek: Will these private owners ever realize that they bought an airplane and not a Uhaul?
 
AA717driver said:
Oh, man! How about one of the Missus' friends--I swear her suitcases are loaded with bowling balls! And the 6 foot long "doggie ramps" that I took yesterday so the puppies can 'gracefully' climb up on the bed. Or the boxes of supplies we're taking to the new house--in Bel Air! It's Bel Air, not Belize! :rolleyes:

I swear, the next Gulfstream we get should have a cargo door up front like the Navy has. That or just get a C-130... :rolleyes:

Oh well, the life of a 'family' pilot! :D TC


My personal favorite are those 200+lb overstuffed Tumi soft sided fold things...crammed full of $hit for a 2 night trip. Those anger me, and sometimes I feel the need to stomp on them or drop them out the arse end of the baggage area onto the wet oily ramp....


there I go, unprofessional again..
 
2000flyer said:
To make a long story short(er), I'm not a confrontational type unless safety is an issue. If there is a issue that comes up, I'll discuss it in private over a beer and move on. I loathe people who decide to pick an argument in front of peers and co-workers (just another example of supremacy issues). I think you'll be more respected and appreciated down the road rather than to jump into it foaming at the mouth.

2000Flyer

Well said.

You described it perfectly regarding the "supremacy" trait. We have a couple in our department that have that in them but they are slowly learning that no one cares. As they realize this, that need to alpha dog everyone else is disappearing.

I have had a few jobs in my career; cargo, fractional etc. and this is without a doubt the way to go. I am fortunate to work for some good people, though I see other corporate situations that could suck hard as well.

The only real downside is I've put on a few pounds since I started here, gotta get to the gym a little more often.
 
Gulfstream 200 said:
My personal favorite are those 200+lb overstuffed Tumi soft sided fold things...crammed full of $hit for a 2 night trip. Those anger me, and sometimes I feel the need to stomp on them or drop them out the arse end of the baggage area onto the wet oily ramp...
Hmmm...
Baggage. When it came to baggage, how 'bout the baggage compartment in the 20 and 30 series Lears? Dragging everything down the isle and behind the back seat. We never allowed the passengers to be on board when it happened - didn't want them watching us while we were "persuading" everything to fit and lock the seat back in place.

If we keep this up I may want to resign my position and see if I can get me a commuter job. :laugh:

'Sled
 
I used to get in a three point stance and tackle the aft divan to get it locked. Repeatedly.

A few years ago I U\used to fly this one eccentric type who would bring the kitchen sink every time we flew them to Colorado. Mops, brooms, cleaning supplies etc. cheap stuff you could get at any self-respecting grocery store, would ride with him in the tiny cabin of the Lear...
 
Swaayze said:
And that's why he's a millionaire.....waste not want not they say.

Nah, thats not why he's a millionaire. I have flown lots of wealthy people; he's the only one that ever took his Merry Maids kit with him.

He is a millionaire because he bought low and sold high somewhere along the line.
 
Aft Cargo

Flew for a car dealer that would bring a week's worth of food in a large(100+lbs.) cooler to go to his condo in South Fla.as if they did not have food there, also was asked to dog sit.
 
Sounds familiar

LXJ31 said:
A few years ago I U\used to fly this one eccentric type who would bring the kitchen sink every time we flew them to Colorado. Mops, brooms, cleaning supplies etc. cheap stuff you could get at any self-respecting grocery store, would ride with him in the tiny cabin of the Lear...

Brings back some memories.. wouldnt happen to have been out of HOU would it?

I used to fly for a guy that would fly pallets of grass for his yard and flowers to Aspen every spring. One time we had a load full of housplants and a toilet for his home there. The rampers called it the flying stationwagon.
 
mobie said:
Flew for a car dealer that would bring a week's worth of food in a large(100+lbs.) cooler to go to his condo in South Fla.as if they did not have food there.
My father does that when he travels (Car, I still don't let him use my jet cause of all the spankings I got as a youngin'. Yonder goes Paw with the switch, Cle-Roy!), but he has Cancer though, so it might not be being cheap, it might be that he likes to buy special food without all the Cr#p (preservatives) in it so he can keep his health in check. Cancer patients do things that might look odd to the unknowing. Who knows..........
 
Gulfstream 200 said:
never apologize to liberals sled...
:D
You are absolutely correct, it was a weak moment. Rush was gone last week and I didn't get my normal fix. :laugh:

'Sled
 
Gulfstream 200 said:
never apologize to liberals sled....

:D
What exactly is it that defines a liberal? Is it a booming economy, record high employment, not associating with Jack Abrhamoff, not being an indicted Congressman from Sugarland, TX, not nation building, no Halliburton no-bid contracts, not liking the GREAT DCA access program, etc? What is it G200? You wanna pop your mouth off and get into a discussion about politics, then lets do it, and you better know $hit if you deciede to step up.

People are always so quick to label people as Liberals when they don't agree with them. That is foolish, but if you think I am a liberal or want to get into it, then lets go, but pack a lunch, Boy.

I suggest you pass, otherwise you run the risk of your "friends' discovering that you are truly nothing more than a good F#ck wasted. I'm tired of your mouth always running and will take great pleasure in shutting it up. And it'll be no problem shutting your friend's mouths as well.
 
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HawkerF/O said:
What exactly is it that defines a liberal? Is it a booming economy, record high employment, not associating with Jack Abrhamoff, not being an indicted Congressman from Sugarland, TX, not nation building, no Halliburton no-bid contracts, not liking the GREAT DCA access program, etc? What is it G200? You wanna pop your mouth off and get into a discussion about politics, then lets do it, and you better know $hit if you deciede to step up.

People are always so quick to label people as Liberals when they don't agree with them. That is foolish, but if you think I am a liberal or want to get into it, then lets go, but pack a lunch, Boy.

I suggest you pass, otherwise you run the risk of your "friends' discovering that you are truly nothing more than a good F#ck wasted. I'm tired of your mouth always running and will take great pleasure in shutting it up.



WHOA FELLA!!!!

did you get bitch slapped for using your bosses brakes again?

"pack a lunch boy"....."step up".....

(are you KIDDING me!?) - see ya at recess maybe?


go relax, take a few minutes - maybe create an intuitive "quiz" for us or something...and all will be better. You can then share all your half-ass aviation knowledge and insert your foot in your mouth once again....I know you cant resist sharing.

see ya after school, toughguy!


:rolleyes:
 
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Gulfstream 200 said:
SO....are you saying you have too much pride to carry someones briefcase but you work for 19K/yr?

only person that might help carry your bags is your mom after she picks you up at the terminal to drive you home.


:0


not many corp guys carry briefcases...but if it was beyond you and unacceptable - yup, you belong in that 121 world.
My gun has killed less people than Ted Kennedys car....or his nephews golf clubs.





Hey I flew his nephew! I was dying to ask him how his golf swing was. This was before his new orange designer jumpsuit was issued to him.
 
Gulfstream 200 said:
WHOA FELLA!!!!

did you get bitch slapped for using your bosses brakes again?

"pack a lunch boy"....."step up".....

(are you KIDDING me!?) - see ya at recess maybe?


go relax, take a few minutes - maybe create an intuitive "quiz" for us or something...and all will be better. You can then share all your half-ass aviation knowledge and insert your foot in your mouth once again....I know you cant resist sharing.

see ya after school, toughguy!


:rolleyes:
Wise decision...........
 
What the Hell............ I'm bored
1. Booming economy? I have a couple left leaning economist friends and one of the few things that we all agree on is that presidents dont make economies, economies make presidents. I believe it was the technology boom that made the economy of the nineties you remember the whole dot.com thing. but i guess Al Gore did invent the internet so maybe you were right to begin with.

2. record high unemployment? see above

3. associating with Jack Abrhamoff? Unfortunately too many republicans and democrats did this, read the articles about Harry Reid if you dont believe me. but if you really do believe that taking money from lobbyists is a one-party issue you just havent met enough politicians.

4. Indicted congressman? Are there any that havent been? havent like 80 something of them been arrested previously? but seriously I dont think you can really use that as a valid point unless theres a conviction. It makes a difference.

5. Nation building? The same people who complain about this, were the ones that were saying we were just there to take their oil. Have we gotten around to taking that yet, we should get that in gear so i can stop paying 2.30 a gallon. but seriously The Iraqis are better off, Americans end up helping another country maybe climb out of the dark ages and the only thing that i really dont like about the whole thing is the fact that i am paying for it.

6. Haliburton contracts? they built many of the facities in the 80's that they are rebuilding now, they are the unchallenged leaders in experience, equiptment, and know-how when it comes to rebulding infastructures, so if you want others to bid on the contract you have to first find someone to compete with them, and nobody reallly does. I will agree that the money going to the contracts should be managed better, but thats just government in general not really a righ-left argument.

And by the way, I will carry anyones bags, dogs, wife, for the right price!!!!
 
I appreciate you taking the time to write something intelligent. Your thoughts have some merit, no doubt about it, but the entire picture is not being represented.

dbchandler1 said:
What the Hell............ I'm bored
1. Booming economy? I have a couple left leaning economist friends and one of the few things that we all agree on is that presidents dont make economies, economies make presidents. I believe it was the technology boom that made the economy of the nineties you remember the whole dot.com thing. but i guess Al Gore did invent the internet so maybe you were right to begin with.
Al Gore aside, it's really a matter of opinion as to how much impact presidents have on the economy. I will say that when good things happen on a presidents watch to the economy, they tend to get a lot more credit than they deserve, but saying they have no impact is irresponsible. If they had no impact they would not send econimic stimulus packages to congress and things of the like. What presidents do fiscally has a large impact on interest rates, which have a direct bearing on the economy. For example, Greenspan told Clinton right off the bat in '93 that he was not going to touch, much less lower, interest rates until the budget deficit was reduced in substantial #s. Clinton didn't argue, cause he was smart enough to knowhe'd be wasting his breath. Clinton sent a plan to Congress, the 1993 Economic Stimulus Package to congress that included measures for dwindling the deficit and paying off debt among other things. It worked, and Greenspan gave Clinton credit for being smart enough to see the big picture. Borrowing money just to stay in debt was making no sense at all and Clinton knew that.
I credit Bill Gates with a large part of the good times of the late 90s and early 2000. Directly, he did a lot for technology ,which in turn provided a great source of growth and income for the US. Indirectly, the Clinton Administration was smart enough not to screw that up and embraced technology and fostered its growth such as putting PCs in schools and giving large tax incentives for corporations to do things like that. Think of it like this. Run your own household the way the Gov't was run before Clinton and how it went back to being run after Clinton. Spend several times more than you take in for a year and see what happens. It would be a disaster. Or, do like Clinton insisted on and balance the budget. It's amazing how much extra $ you'll have and spend when all of your debts are paid off and you own nobody anything. It's simple econimics. When the budget was balanced and we had record surpluses, there was a lot of spending going on in the ecomony. Interest rates were low and cars, home sales and new constructions were at record highs.

dbchandler1 said:
2. record high unemployment? see above
I agree, technology had lots to do with that, but certainly not everything. That unemployment was not just centered in Silicon Valley. Even the Taco Bell in Blue Springs, MO was starting folks at 9/hr. Times were good. But you must also contribute that to no deficit, low interest rates, etc which causes people to spend. Or think of it as this, if unemployment was at 10 or 15 percent in November of 2004, would Bush have been reelected? Of course not. Why do you think that is if you say the ecomony or unemployment have nothing to do with the president? Both are impacted by the president to some degree. If the economy were in a 2 year recession, would Bush have been reelected? Once again, no way. His father was not reelected for that exact reason. The economy and unemployment were the 2 biggest issues of the '92 election and both hung Bush out to dry. Perot would have been a no name had the economy been in good shape back then. Bush realized too late those factors, thinking the war victory would seal his reelection, as he had 90% approval ratings in early-mid 1991. Clinton entered the race October 1991 and right away started hammering at the econimc situation of the US, thanks to James Carvill. It worked.

dbchandler1 said:
3. associating with Jack Abrhamoff? Unfortunately too many republicans and democrats did this, read the articles about Harry Reid if you dont believe me. but if you really do believe that taking money from lobbyists is a one-party issue you just havent met enough politicians.
Wrong. There is a huge difference in associating and taking money. Not 1 Democrat, not 1 single Democrat, took money from him, when several republicans did. Here is the confusion: Abramoff gave $ directly to these republicans while he did not to Democrats for whatever reason. Clinets of Abrhamoff, not him but some people he represents, gave $ to Democrats and republicans. You know how fickle contribution laws are, and there is a huge distinction. Clients of his gave money to politicians. So what? He directly gave $ to republicans while his clients gave $ to who they wanted. There is a huge difference. Simply put, nobody is questioning the $ that clients of his gave, they are questioning the checks with Abrhamoffs name on them. No Dem has recieved one of those checks, while plenty of Republicans have.

dbchandler1 said:
4. Indicted congressman? Are there any that havent been? havent like 80 something of them been arrested previously? but seriously I dont think you can really use that as a valid point unless theres a conviction. It makes a difference.
That's fair. We'll wait and see what happens.

dbchandler1 said:
5. Nation building? The same people who complain about this, were the ones that were saying we were just there to take their oil. Have we gotten around to taking that yet, we should get that in gear so i can stop paying 2.30 a gallon. but seriously The Iraqis are better off, Americans end up helping another country maybe climb out of the dark ages and the only thing that i really dont like about the whole thing is the fact that i am paying for it.
Honestly, I could care less about what others say. Bush is not a bad guy. He is by no definition a racist, Kanye was wrong and is a loser, and the way he was treated at King's funeral was disgusting, and he was man enough to be a gentleman about it. I don't care who you are or what issues you have, you do not disrespect a sitting president like that especially at a venue such as a funeral. Had he left of stuck up for himself, they would have cried foul. He could not defend himself and he has every right to do that. He had every right and reason to walk out, but he was man enough to take it, and that in itself says great volumes about is character. I would have walked down, shook the King children's hand and thanked them, then headed for AF1.
I personally didn't care for Saddam and yes, he needed to go. He was a horrible person. Fine. DOn't lie and make things up about why we are going over there. I do not think removing him from office was worth 2000 US soliders losing their lives for. Saddam did not provoke us, he had no weapons, and there was a more diplomatic way to remove him. Now that the damage is done, these losers saying we need to leave are just as bad as Bush for lying. He told flat out lies and when Clinton did it, most of these pilots on here said he should be removed from office. Bush might have believe he had the weapons and lied based on that. OK, fine, but when Clinton said O#al sex is not sex (definition of is is), which I agree, he believe that to be true, so what is the difference aside from the fact that no soilders got killed because BC got his duck sicked. If I get head from some chick and someone says did you have sex with her, I'd say no, and all of you would too!! There is such a double standard.

dbchandler1 said:
6. Haliburton contracts? they built many of the facities in the 80's that they are rebuilding now, they are the unchallenged leaders in experience, equiptment, and know-how when it comes to rebulding infastructures, so if you want others to bid on the contract you have to first find someone to compete with them, and nobody reallly does. I will agree that the money going to the contracts should be managed better, but thats just government in general not really a righ-left argument.
Agreed. My point was that other administrations, Repblican or otherwise, have not engaged in this type of non-bidding. I agree, nobody is better for what they do than Halliburton, but the rules are the rules, so lets do it right, and there will be no issues later on down the road.

Thanks again for writing something worth reading.
 
HawkerFO--Just a couple of small corrections. Clinton didn't bow to the wishes of Alan Greenspan. He threatened to fire Greenspan after his statement in '93. Wall St. had a $h!tfit and the market started to slide within minutes of the rumor being floated. Clinton backed down.

Clinton also didn't insist on a balanced budget. The Congressional elections of 1994 brought in the new Congress with it's "Contract with America" that vowed a balanced budget. (The majority party of Congress later broke that contract proving that there is no difference in the spending habits of congressmen based on party affiliation. In fact, many of the members of Congress who were swept into office with the election of '94, having campaigned on the Contract with America have since quit.) Again, Clinton recognized the direction of the tide and wisely went with it.

Neither party has a problem with deficit spending so long as THEY are the party doing the spending. To characterize one party as "irresponsible" for their spending habits while crediting the other party for its frugality is to willfully ignore history.

Politics is rotten down to its lowest, most local levels, IMO.TC
 
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