the life as a "corporate pilot"

[2EASYPilot]

Originally Posted by B-J-J FighterCorporate sounds fun and all, and from what many of you guys are saying it pays very well. However I just do not want to carry someone's bags, matter of fact I want someone to carry my bags.Listen to the echo's on this thread....stay were you are and you will get exactly what you deserve, a union and ALPA !!! This is the corporate thread..I would like to believe most of us have succeeded on our own because we believe in ourselves and our abilities. My final point is I am very comfortable helping our passengers with their needs not because they expect it but because they are my guests when on our aircraft. Hopefully, you can appreciate this.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Pilots were White Slaves? Why was it necessary for you to even mention a race? Why? Good thing there are no Black pilots. Hispanic or Asain pilots either. I didn't know pilots were only white.

Lead Sled, I don't EVER want to hear you talking/whining about how some black, woman, or hispanic is getting a job when there is some poor qualified white guy that gets passed over. It's that type up unintenional thing that "slips out" that reveals the real you. It's because of things like that that minorities get preference at times. Why don't you think about what you say and do so the playing field can be leveled.

I'm not a "black/white" guy. You don't know me, but there are a couple of folks on here that do, and they've never heard me talk about blacks get this or whites get this. Not my style. But what you said was out of line. Normally, I would have given you the benefit of the doubt, but because you specifically said "white slave" when refering to a group of pilots in general who you don't know, that let me know your thoughts were intentional and infcat they were.

whoa! easy fella! - shift to decaf, relax, and cruise that new NBAA website a bit. You will come back relaxed.

 

[Lead Sled]

Pilots were White Slaves? Why was it necessary for you to even mention a race? Why? Good thing there are no Black pilots. Hispanic or Asain pilots either. I didn't know pilots were only white.

Lead Sled, I don't EVER want to hear you talking/whining about how some black, woman, or hispanic is getting a job when there is some poor qualified white guy that gets passed over. It's that type up unintentional thing that "slips out" that reveals the real you. It's because of things like that that minorities get preference at times. Why don't you think about what you say and do so the playing field can be leveled.

I'm not a "black/white" guy. You don't know me, but there are a couple of folks on here that do, and they've never heard me talk about blacks get this or whites get this. Not my style. But what you said was out of line. Normally, I would have given you the benefit of the doubt, but because you specifically said "white slave" when refering to a group of pilots in general who you don't know, that let me know your thoughts were intentional and infcat they were.

Hells bells man talk about taking 2 + 2 and ending up with 5 (or in your case 1,345.65.)

Yes, I specifically used the phrase "white slave" not as a racial thing, but because it was the actual phrase that I've heard over the years by airline guys describing the "typical" corporate job. My most recent experience was, a few months back, when a senior FEDEX captain acquaintance was telling me why my job must suck. (That just shows how little he knows. ) I have also heard the term mentioned in context of slaving away in the office, kitchen, school, etc or being treated as a slave - most teenagers in referring to how their parents treat them. By the way, and for the record, according to recent news broadcasts (San Diego area), white slavery is alive and well - in the form of abduction for prostitution. (Yet another aeronautical connection - PFT anyone?)

In the words of that great humanitarian...

Lighten up, Francis.

For all you other liberals out there, If I offended you I am sorry. It was unintentional and there were definitely no racial innuendos intended. Get over it.

'Sled

 

[Gulfstream 200]

never apologize to liberals sled....

 

[AA717driver]

imagine for a moment..

paying ALPA dues when you make less than a Mcdonalds drive thru worker.

(but Im not carrying my bosses bag dang it! - Im NOBODYS bitch!)

LOL!

Yeah, when I was getting started, I didn't want to "fetch" bags and coffee either.

But I grew up... TC

 

[Gulfstream 200]

LOL!

Yeah, when I was getting started, I didn't want to "fetch" bags and coffee either.

But I grew up... TC

I hear ya TC...and really....whats the extent of this bag thing...

the most I have done is loading as line guys pass them up to the baggage area or taking one for a pax who has thier arms full leaving the cabin, thus freeing up thier hands to hold onto the rail and not fall down the stairs..then at the bottom 99% of them want to take the bag back - at that point we simply walk them to the car and place them in the trunk and say bye....

Whats wrong with that? common courtesy and service.. -if that pays me 100K+ more than the average regional puke my age....call me yo' biatch.

I gots no pride.

 

[B-J-J Fighter]

Sorry for the flame material, I didn't mean for it to come out that way. I was 6 beers and 2 shots of tekillya deep when I posted that.

 

[BluDevAv8r]

Corporate sounds fun and all, and from what many of you guys are saying it pays very well. However I just do not want to carry someone's bags, matter of fact I want someone to carry my bags.

That's funny...I often have tossed a bag or two (or 20 once) when the passengers are standing in the jetway waiting on gate checks. Gate agents, rampers, and passengers alike are all thankful for an extra hand or two. I have also helped my FA serve drinks on a 2 hour ground stop when we were off the gate on the taxiway. And yes, <gasp>, I have even helped clean the cabin (but I didn't wear blue gloves).

-Neal

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Sorry for the flame material, I didn't mean for it to come out that way. I was 6 beers and 2 shots of tekillya deep when I posted that.

Ah...beer and tekillya.....that explains it!

 

[AA717driver]

I hear ya TC...and really....whats the extent of this bag thing...

Oh, man! How about one of the Missus' friends--I swear her suitcases are loaded with bowling balls! And the 6 foot long "doggie ramps" that I took yesterday so the puppies can 'gracefully' climb up on the bed. Or the boxes of supplies we're taking to the new house--in Bel Air! It's Bel Air, not Belize!

I swear, the next Gulfstream we get should have a cargo door up front like the Navy has. That or just get a C-130...

Oh well, the life of a 'family' pilot! TC

 

[Lead Sled]

Funny, no one's said a word about the old biffys that needed to be pulled out of the airplane and dumped. ukeI know this smiley is the wrong "end", but you guys know what I mean.) I don't know what I liked better - getting to fly airplanes that had single-point fueling or "single-point" potty dumping.

'Sled

 

[HS125]

Oh, man! How about one of the Missus' friends--I swear her suitcases are loaded with bowling balls! And the 6 foot long "doggie ramps" that I took yesterday so the puppies can 'gracefully' climb up on the bed. Or the boxes of supplies we're taking to the new house--in Bel Air! It's Bel Air, not Belize!

I swear, the next Gulfstream we get should have a cargo door up front like the Navy has. That or just get a C-130...

Oh well, the life of a 'family' pilot! TC

Try loading 500 - 600lbs of dead ducks and geese, 8 people and all off their sh!t from a weeks long hunt in Canada, into a Hawker 700. And then have the wildlife moron in Great Falls, MT make you unload it all so he can check the birds to make sure no-one killed any endagered birds. Will these private owners ever realize that they bought an airplane and not a Uhaul?

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Oh, man! How about one of the Missus' friends--I swear her suitcases are loaded with bowling balls! And the 6 foot long "doggie ramps" that I took yesterday so the puppies can 'gracefully' climb up on the bed. Or the boxes of supplies we're taking to the new house--in Bel Air! It's Bel Air, not Belize!

I swear, the next Gulfstream we get should have a cargo door up front like the Navy has. That or just get a C-130...

Oh well, the life of a 'family' pilot! TC

My personal favorite are those 200+lb overstuffed Tumi soft sided fold things...crammed full of $hit for a 2 night trip. Those anger me, and sometimes I feel the need to stomp on them or drop them out the arse end of the baggage area onto the wet oily ramp....


there I go, unprofessional again..

 

[LXJ31]

To make a long story short(er), I'm not a confrontational type unless safety is an issue. If there is a issue that comes up, I'll discuss it in private over a beer and move on. I loathe people who decide to pick an argument in front of peers and co-workers (just another example of supremacy issues). I think you'll be more respected and appreciated down the road rather than to jump into it foaming at the mouth.

2000Flyer

Well said.

You described it perfectly regarding the "supremacy" trait. We have a couple in our department that have that in them but they are slowly learning that no one cares. As they realize this, that need to alpha dog everyone else is disappearing.

I have had a few jobs in my career; cargo, fractional etc. and this is without a doubt the way to go. I am fortunate to work for some good people, though I see other corporate situations that could suck hard as well.

The only real downside is I've put on a few pounds since I started here, gotta get to the gym a little more often.

 

[Lead Sled]

My personal favorite are those 200+lb overstuffed Tumi soft sided fold things...crammed full of $hit for a 2 night trip. Those anger me, and sometimes I feel the need to stomp on them or drop them out the arse end of the baggage area onto the wet oily ramp...

Hmmm...
Baggage. When it came to baggage, how 'bout the baggage compartment in the 20 and 30 series Lears? Dragging everything down the isle and behind the back seat. We never allowed the passengers to be on board when it happened - didn't want them watching us while we were "persuading" everything to fit and lock the seat back in place.

If we keep this up I may want to resign my position and see if I can get me a commuter job. :laugh:

'Sled

 

[LXJ31]

I used to get in a three point stance and tackle the aft divan to get it locked. Repeatedly.

A few years ago I U\used to fly this one eccentric type who would bring the kitchen sink every time we flew them to Colorado. Mops, brooms, cleaning supplies etc. cheap stuff you could get at any self-respecting grocery store, would ride with him in the tiny cabin of the Lear...

 

[Swaayze]

And that's why he's a millionaire.....waste not want not they say.

 

[LXJ31]

And that's why he's a millionaire.....waste not want not they say.

Nah, thats not why he's a millionaire. I have flown lots of wealthy people; he's the only one that ever took his Merry Maids kit with him.

He is a millionaire because he bought low and sold high somewhere along the line.

 

[mobie]

Aft Cargo

Flew for a car dealer that would bring a week's worth of food in a large(100+lbs.) cooler to go to his condo in South Fla.as if they did not have food there, also was asked to dog sit.

 

[pullmyfinger]

Sounds familiar

A few years ago I U\used to fly this one eccentric type who would bring the kitchen sink every time we flew them to Colorado. Mops, brooms, cleaning supplies etc. cheap stuff you could get at any self-respecting grocery store, would ride with him in the tiny cabin of the Lear...

Brings back some memories.. wouldnt happen to have been out of HOU would it?

I used to fly for a guy that would fly pallets of grass for his yard and flowers to Aspen every spring. One time we had a load full of housplants and a toilet for his home there. The rampers called it the flying stationwagon.