The Fat lady just sang!!

[Bringupthebird]

It's ALPA's game and they benefitted too,

Who was Chris Beebe? US had the ultimate insider and they blew it.

Imagine that...

 

[Bringupthebird]

Whoever said it is right . The only party that has won in this Olympics of the retards is the lawyers. Shameful.

Um, did someone forget a man named Doug Parker? He owes USAPA a huge debt of gratitude for financing the merger that makes them irrelevant. And then they jump up and down with glee at a signing bonus that gives them back fractions of pennies on the dollar.

 

[Old School 737]

Easties suck ..Parker laughing all the way to the bank ... Sad

 

[waveflyer]

Yep- to both posts above

Pilots= stupidest, most prideful, smart people you'll ever meet

 

[71driver]

My ignorance concerning where you DO work is exceeded only by your ignorance of what is going on here at USAirways.

Cheers

Good catch...ya got me that zinger....yeah it takes someone with a high level of intelligence to figure out that the Easties are intending to yet again impose their ill conceived ideas of what a fair integration is on yet another merger....
Which is clearly the biggest demonstration of buffoonery I have come to see.
Oh and if YOU are an easty supporting their cause then you too qualify as a buffoon.
buenes nacho

 

[Jeff Helgeson]

No DFR responsibility for the APA...

Best post you have ever made metro. Logical and without emotion.

The big question is what will APA and the company do once USAPA is gone.

The DFR liability is still there. It will be APA's to inherit. The judge by no means said USAPA can use DOH, and she also said it does not have to be the NIC.

What will the arbitrators decide this time? With No seat at the table for the East or the West this will be very interesting.

I doubt the APA will be liable for a previous DFR. ALPA was found guilty in the DFR in it's failure to represent the pilots of TWA. The APA does not have any liability in the DFR. It is entirely upon ALPA.

Both sides can be extreme in their views. However, the NIC Award and stapling furloughees was not fair. IMO. With older, stapled TWA pilots at AA and USAir pilots staples by AWA would in effect make the AWA pilots hired in the late 1990s - 2003 the most senior pilots that would be Captain on the largest of the wide bodies. This is a very simple overview. Being hired at a later date and younger is an advantage if given greater seniority in a merger/acquisition. This is especially true in the case of AA and USAir with all of the future retirements at those two respective carriers.

Hopefully a better solution can be found in a more expeditious manner.

 

[Carl S.]

Jeff, the DFR has not happen yet and will likely happen on APA's watch if they entertain a non-nic. list for AWA/AAA to go into AMR. The DFR is coming once anyone moves off the NIC. in this merger. Sorry for what you think is fair, but should a person on the street go ahead of a line holding captain to make up for one parties bad career?

 

[ALGFLYR]

Jeff, the DFR has not happen yet and will likely happen on APA's watch if they entertain a non-nic. list for AWA/AAA to go into AMR. The DFR is coming once anyone moves off the NIC. in this merger. Sorry for what you think is fair, but should a person on the street go ahead of a line holding captain to make up for one parties bad career?

Lol...Hic... Last call...

 

[Jeff Helgeson]

okay

Carl, you have a point about the DFR. However, 7-8 years and still no implemented SLI. A judge would not make a ruling and passed it along. It is a complex issue. I like AWA and it's former pilots. I have some friends there. The term "career expectations" is just a buzz word to screw fellow pilots. I think all pilots on a seniority list should be consider, regardless of furlough status. I do not feel a 2003 AWA hire ever had "career expectations" to be the most senior pilots to fly the biggest equipment at USAir and American, especial with the majority of the retirements coming from those two respective carriers. AWA former career expectations were to fly out of PHX or LAS on the A320 or B757. This industry is dynamic. It is always changing.

The best SLI in recent history was DAL/NWA.

Formula: DOH, relative percentile integration, fences. Also consider time to upgrade, present growth and retirements.

 

[Bringupthebird]

Jeff, you need to read the Nic award in its entirety. It is not as you describe at all.

 

[152SIC]

I think this ruling has APA readying their staple guns!

 

[Metrojet]

Jeff, the DFR has not happen yet and will likely happen on APA's watch if they entertain a non-nic. list for AWA/AAA to go into AMR. The DFR is coming once anyone moves off the NIC. in this merger. Sorry for what you think is fair, but should a person on the street go ahead of a line holding captain to make up for one parties bad career?

So your saying that AOL's next strategy is to take legal action against APA?
Wow , I can't wait to see the lengths of those threads. Pretty sure that APA doesn't care one dime about the NIC - but now that Judge Silver has ruled that USAPA doesn't breach any law and the NIC will not be active in the SLI between US and AA - you guys will be donating to Marty for years to come.

I think it would be better to man up and say - let's get this SLI done as fast as we can - and maybe there wont be any fences around bases with narrow body - well then you can take what you get in the SLI and bid out - I will bet the West would make out ok - just not a lottery win like you thought you had.

Move on - it will be a better deal for all you AWFO ( spin on your AFO ) club members

Metrojet

 

[Bringupthebird]

That's not what Silver said at all. She said that USAPA's threatening to use a DOH list isn't a DFR. When they do, then she can rule on the effects. But they won't because APA won't let children use the sharp scissors. The Nic will be likely never be used for anything more than a way to order the non-APA side of the SLI, which when finished will resemble the NIC.

Call it Nic Jr.

If USAPA demands a DOH list for its side, or submits two lists which harms the west class, then the courts will intervene and stop the SLI process. That is something I am sure APA wants no part of.

Face it, USAPA couldn't make good on any promises and served no one but the porkers on the BPR.

 

[LearLove]

Carl, you have a point about the DFR. However, 7-8 years and still no implemented SLI. A judge would not make a ruling and passed it along. It is a complex issue. I like AWA and it's former pilots. I have some friends there. The term "career expectations" is just a buzz word to screw fellow pilots. I think all pilots on a seniority list should be consider, regardless of furlough status. I do not feel a 2003 AWA hire ever had "career expectations" to be the most senior pilots to fly the biggest equipment at USAir and American, especial with the majority of the retirements coming from those two respective carriers. AWA former career expectations were to fly out of PHX or LAS on the A320 or B757. This industry is dynamic. It is always changing.

The best SLI in recent history was DAL/NWA.

Formula: DOH, relative percentile integration, fences. Also consider time to upgrade, present growth and retirements.

Probably the best post ever on this whole debacle.

Good luck and I hope you west guys have big pocket books if your going to go after APA if they accept a DOH list. You'll have a hard time showing damage to your career to any judge WRT any position that results from the American merger.

It would be like me starting a DFR against Us Air for allowing me to flow to mainline. My position now at mainline compared to if I would have stayed at Allegheny/PDT are worlds apart. Even considering I took nothing from my 99 DOH at Allegheny or have any credit by the company for MDA.

Your position no matter where on the American list is many times better than anything you could have realized if AWA had never "saved" Us Air or even remained independent. Like Us Air you probably would not be here if it wasn't for this debacle we all were tossed into since 2005.

 

[waveflyer]

No it's really not the best post ever written.
It's a good post written by a guy who's never read Nicolau's judgement- where he addresses every point made by the allegiant guy above

 

[SOVT]

Jeff, the DFR has not happen yet and will likely happen on APA's watch if they entertain a non-nic. list for AWA/AAA to go into AMR. The DFR is coming once anyone moves off the NIC. in this merger. Sorry for what you think is fair, but should a person on the street go ahead of a line holding captain to make up for one parties bad career?

I suggest you take a look at the CAL-UAL merger. Times have changed.

 

[AppBrookie]

Sure have your NIC, in PHX, somebody outside the West(East,AA) comes in, the NIC applies. It is after all what u brought to the merger. Keep your attrition and growth, upgrades. You want to go somewhere else LOS standards apply.

 

[General Lee]

Sure have your NIC, in PHX, somebody outside the West(East,AA) comes in, the NIC applies. It is after all what u brought to the merger. Keep your attrition and growth, upgrades. You want to go somewhere else LOS standards apply.

What did you Easties bring to the merger? Parker bailed you out from almost certain liquidation.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Crzipilot]

Well it seems we brought more to the merger than the west.

What's wrong Ginny? You upset that your your views didn't happen to fit into the scope of the law? Your assumptions were not affirmed, but rather rejected by a court of law? yes the judge said quite a few things within her final judgement.

The bottom line though is what she ordered. Can your quote that for us, and compare that to what you've been blasting the past few months?