The Fat lady just sang!!

[Carl S.]

Will USAPA learn from Silver's warnings to represent all pilots or stay on their DOH jihad and see the final product to be very NIC. like at the least or it's DFR time all over with no ripeness or waiting for lists to be produced? How is this a victory for USAPA in the SLI game, we are not going away and AAL and APA have the next move? The MOU barely pasted the DFR bar, not a DOH list...

P.S.- Turtle, the money will always be coming in as long as USAPA is the bully, will Eastie give cash when it is their turn to defend themselves? I am proud that we are unified and still fighting, unlike you fractioned East side back stabbing each other. How many lost in the CLT Ponzi scam?

 

[Turtle21]

Will USAPA learn from Silver's warnings to represent all pilots or stay on their DOH jihad and see the final product to be very NIC. like at the least or it's DFR time all over with no ripeness or waiting for lists to be produced? How is this a victory for USAPA in the SLI game, we are not going away and AAL and APA have the next move? The MOU barely pasted the DFR bar, not a DOH list...

P.S.- Turtle, the money will always be coming in as long as USAPA is the bully, will Eastie give cash when it is their turn to defend themselves? I am proud that we are unified and still fighting, unlike you fractioned East side back stabbing each other. How many lost in the CLT Ponzi scam?

Spend your money how you want! Really!!

Did Marty send you a copy of the document that affirms the Nic Award must be used by anyone?

 

[Flyer1015]

There is no necessity for it to go to arbitration, but assuming it does, the APA and USAPA will present their arguments in favor of their own proposed complete list for all New American pilots. The arbitrator will consider each new proposed list and the proposed methods to arrive at each new proposed list. Current lists in effect will be a factor in the status quo. UAL/CAL may be helpful for a rationale proposal/final award.

Currently, can you confirm USAPA has two separate lists, one west and one east. Correct? Never in recent history has their been an amicable agreement on SLI (except AirTran/SWA but that's not a happy story). UAL/CAL, DAL/NWA, and US/AWA all went to arbitration. Why would AA/US be any different?

 

[71driver]

these US Airways East guys and there nauseating talk about date of hire is exhausting and hard to support...hence the judges comments As directed towards USAPA. The merger with America West was never designed to make up for stagnated careers. now these idiots are going to try the same Hail Mary pass with the merger with American Airlines.
date of hire is not how you merge fellas...of course you know this though
As a stand alone airline name one thing you get that is based on date of hire. upgrading to Captain weekends off holiday vacations......everything is based on relative seniority within your company. why you guys think a merger should change that is beyond me and why you receive such little support throughout the industry.

 

[Turtle21]

Currently, can you confirm USAPA has two separate lists, one west and one east. Correct? Never in recent history has their been an amicable agreement on SLI (except AirTran/SWA but that's not a happy story). UAL/CAL, DAL/NWA, and US/AWA all went to arbitration. Why would AA/US be any different?

I suggest it should not be any different. It should be a UAL/CAL type list, the easy way or the hard way. We'll see. Relative position looks really good for a lot of folks.

 

[tomgoodman]

If SLI negotiators in any merger ever do agree on a list, it might be wise to pretend that they are still deadlocked and go to arbitration. Then they secretly give the list to the arbitrator, ask him to award it, and wail loudly when he does so.

 

[Turtle21]

If SLI negotiators in any merger ever do agree on a list, it might be wise to pretend that they are still deadlocked and go to arbitration. Then they secretly give the list to the arbitrator, ask him to award it, and wail loudly when he does so.

That would be politically expedient. A little less than honest, but expedient.

 

[Hpilot]

Dicta.

Yes, you are correct it was just dicta, but a warning just the same. Interestingly enough it's almost the same warning USAPA received from another judge.

 

[johnsonrod]

Who wins? The LAWYERS!

 

[Turtle21]

Yes, you are correct it was just dicta, but a warning just the same. Interestingly enough it's almost the same warning USAPA received from another judge.

Judge Silver is a master politician and leaves people with strong impressions that they heard what they wanted to hear, yet she never once cited any authority requiring anyone to use the Nic. If she cites no authority requiring the Nic to be used, any warning assumed to be about some implicit obligation to use the Nic is just that, an implicit assumption.

The lawyers have plenty of new chum and bait to push for justice, apple pie, and donations.

Individual pilots would be far wiser to consider a waring to themselves to be on the look out for duplicitous solicitors, more so than to shed a tear for their lawyers having to navigate such implied warnings from the bench.

IMHO.