The Costa Citationair

[DadofSeven]

The word is official. !9 planes and contracts from CA going to Flops. The pilots will not be going.

The CA pilots will train the Flops pilots and Flops will recall 85 furloughed pilots. This transition should take about 9 months.

I do not doubt this, but where is this official word coming from?

 

[chief9404]

This is part of it. It was part of a letter released from the DAC Chairman.


"The new development is that we have also been working on a transaction to acquire Citation Air, which announced in 2012 that it was exiting the fractional ownership market once its existing agreements expire. Because Citation Air is only 20% of the size of Flight Options, we are not planning to integrate operations. Instead, we will continue to wind down the operations of Citation Air over 9 months by gradually transferring 19 of its aircraft to our fleet, taking over 200 customers of Citation Air and giving us an additional 12,000 hours of annual flying. Because we will not be hiring Citation Air?s pilots or integrating seniority lists, the new aircraft and flying will allow us to bring as many as 85 of our furloughed pilots back to work as well as providing upgrade opportunities to many of our active pilots. The transaction could close as early as October 1st."

 

[onetimer]

9 planes = 85 recalls? You guys must staff heavy.

19 not 9

 

[Smooth Cruz]

What a friggin shame, so many great people at CA, best of luck to all those families affected.

 

[Smooth Cruz]

The word is official. 19 planes and contracts from CA going to Flops. The pilots will not be going.

The CA pilots will train the Flops pilots and Flops will recall 85 furloughed pilots. This transition should take about 9 months.

Are the pilots training them, or is CA paying for the FO pilots to go to flight safety?

 

[chief9404]

The CA pilots will do the training. The carrot will be dangled in front of their nose to do it.

The CA pilots were probably lied to by mgt for months, just like the RTA and Flex pilots. If the pilots had any integrity they would all quit today and say FU to mgt.

 

[gret]

Probably missing something, but what type of training are we talking about if the FO pilots aren't rated in the aircraft

 

[onetimer]

More than likely check air men to get the FO pilots done with IOE and up to speed after the school house.

 

[gret]

OK...

If this is the case, the CA pilots are saints if they do it...although they may not have a choice if the $ are on the line.

 

[V1 Rotate]

Why are there no press releases?

 

[C680]

Oh please!!!

Word on "The Street" is essentially CA will pay FO (an an affiliate) a very substantial sum to handle 6000+ hours which CA is obligated to provide for its owners and the XLSs will come over. With the CA hours and Flex owners, FO now is the only large fractional alternative to NJA.

ROFLMAO.

What will be absolutely HILARIOUS to watch is that moment when a CitationAir customer learns that they can keep flying their aircraft but the pilot seats will now be filled by a totally different company with a TOTALLY different culture, operations philosophy, SOP set, SKILL SET, and pilots that have ZERO time in their aircraft. Oh JOY!

The giant sucking sound of customers leaving their contracts will be heard from Greenwich clear to Cuyahoga county buttfuch airport. Do you think CitationAir's current aircraft OWNERS / customers will stand for it?

Rude awakening in 3, 2, 1........

NJA Owner, what say you?

 

[slowtation capt]

ROFLMAO.

What will be absolutely HILARIOUS to watch is that moment when a CitationAir customer learns that they can keep flying their aircraft but the pilot seats will now be filled by a totally different company with a TOTALLY different culture, operations philosophy, SOP set, SKILL SET, and pilots that have ZERO time in their aircraft. Oh JOY!

Since you put it in capital letters, I am going to assume that you are saying that just because you work for CS and other's work at Options that you are the better pilot with superior flying skills?????

 

[C680]

Since you put it in capital letters, I am going to assume that you are saying that just because you work for CS and other's work at Options that you are the better pilot with superior flying skills?????

1. Disengage Ego.
2. Lets talk facts.

Those that can afford to fly privately do so after exercising due diligence. When a customer is told their contract will now be flown by pilots with zero time in said aircraft, new company, different management, different SOP's, etc, - I dont know, if it were me, I'd re-think the entire deal. After all, I'd have the resources to choose my private lift provider, and it certainly would not BY DEFAULT be a company that I had not previously chosen. Get it?

Has nothing to do with EGO, everything to do with what the truth IS.

Make sense?

This is gonna be fun to watch.

 

[chief9404]

Many of the Citationair owners (former) are already at Flops. So yes I think the owners will stand for it. There is only going to be 2 fractionals to pick from. DAC or NJA.

ROFLMAO.

What will be absolutely HILARIOUS to watch is that moment when a CitationAir customer learns that they can keep flying their aircraft but the pilot seats will now be filled by a totally different company with a TOTALLY different culture, operations philosophy, SOP set, SKILL SET, and pilots that have ZERO time in their aircraft. Oh JOY!

The giant sucking sound of customers leaving their contracts will be heard from Greenwich clear to Cuyahoga county buttfuch airport. Do you think CitationAir's current aircraft OWNERS / customers will stand for it?

Rude awakening in 3, 2, 1........

NJA Owner, what say you?

 

[chief9404]

You make it sound like CA has some really sophisticated planes that only a "highly trained" CA pilot could fly.


Who has the ego?





QUOTE=C680;2429571]1. Disengage Ego.
2. Lets talk facts.

Those that can afford to fly privately do so after exercising due diligence. When a customer is told their contract will now be flown by pilots with zero time in said aircraft, new company, different management, different SOP's, etc, - I dont know, if it were me, I'd re-think the entire deal. After all, I'd have the resources to choose my private lift provider, and it certainly would not BY DEFAULT be a company that I had not previously chosen. Get it?

Has nothing to do with EGO, everything to do with what the truth IS.

Make sense?

This is gonna be fun to watch. [/QUOTE]