The Costa Citationair

[*#$% Headwinds]

Gret, thanks for making my point. Your source is a shill for a right wing anti-union think tank. His opinion means nothing to me. Have a nice day.

 

[gret]

"The problem with closed minded people, is that their mouth is always open."

-Unknown

 

[*#$% Headwinds]

Ahh. I validated your source and I'm closed minded? The mans job is to slander unions. Come to me with a reputable source, not propaganda. I will listen all day and twice on Sunday.

 

[Praetorian]

How is what I wrote out of context? I didn't offer any commentary other than Praetorian made up the 93 percent of all income number, and then I quoted the text that specifically refuted his claim. It doesn't matter what he may have "heard" from unreliable extremest left wing talking heads. They either don't know what their talking about, or more likely, are purposely lying in an effort rile up the sheep. The actual data from the IRS is 17 percent. If he would have said 20 percent, I wouldn't have called him on it, but 93 percent is a ridiculous and a intentionally misleading inaccuracy.

You don't like my numbers so you attack the source? Matt Taibbi his hardly a left wing extremest, he has however been famously critical of the administrations fiscal policies.

At any rate, if you don't like that source, how about the CBO...

"... income of households in the top 1 percent of earners grew by 275%, compared to 65% for the next 19 percent, just under 40% for the next 60 percent, 18% for the bottom fifth of households. As a result of that uneven income growth, the share of total after-tax income received by the 1 percent of the population in households with the highest income more than doubled between 1979 and 2007, whereas the share received by low- and middle-income households declined …"

 

[gret]

Teamsters good enough for you? Even they thought the bakers leadership were off their rockers...-

"On Friday, Nov. 9, the BCTGM began to strike at some Hostess production facilities without notice to the Teamsters despite assurances they would not proceed with job actions without contacting the Teamsters Union. This unannounced action put Teamster members in the difficult position of facing picket lines without knowing their right to honor such a line without being disciplined.

As is our longstanding tradition, Teamster members by and large are honoring Bakery Worker picket lines when encountered and complying with their contractual obligations when not encountering picket lines. The BCTGM leaders are putting Teamster members in a horrible position – asking them to support a strike that will put them out of a job when they haven’t even asked all their members to go on strike.

That strike is now on the verge of forcing the company to liquidate – it is difficult for Teamster members to believe that is what the BCTGM Hostess members ultimately wanted to accomplish when they went out on strike. We may never know unless the BCTGM members, based on the facts they know today, get to determine their fate in a secret ballot vote. Teamster members would understand that the will of the BCTGM Hostess membership was truly heard if that was the case."

Teamsters release on November 15, 2012

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http://www.teamster.org/content/teamsters-bakery-workers-should-hold-secret-ballot-vote-hostess

 

[*#$% Headwinds]

See? I will agree that BCTGM chose badly. However IMO, the writing on the wall says that even if they had agreed to more concessions, it would simply have been delaying the inevitable liquidation. They had already saved the company once in 2004 with $115M in concessions that the company failed to capitalize. Then the private equity group multiplied Hostess' debt, while executives received massive (80% or more) raises right up until 2011. The Bakery workers action may have accelerated the inevitable, but they didn't bankrupt the company.

 

[Praetorian]

And here is another great piece by "extreme left" Tiabbi, partisans beware...

"The first thing you need to know about Goldman Sachs is that it's everywhere. The world's most powerful investment bank is a great vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity, relentlessly jamming its blood funnel into anything that smells like money. In fact, the history of the recent financial crisis, which doubles as a history of the rapid decline and fall of the suddenly swindled dry American empire, reads like a Who's Who of Goldman Sachs graduates."

Read this conservatives, I think you will actually enjoy...
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-great-american-bubble-machine-20100405

 

[OHGOON]

Can't stand the guy. I just feel uncertain about the economy. How about you? We just have different views on how to bring certainty back around. I think less government and allowing people keep more of what they make will stimulate the economy. Let the people chose winners and losers. You think bigger government and letting politicians redistribute the taxes as they see fit as the way. It's a difference in philosophy.

You make this sound as if it's a zero sum game when it's not. It's not a difference in philosophy as it's a conversation about reality vs ideological phantasy and or mythology.

You might not personally like Hannity but you are spouting the same "tinkle on" nonsense he does so gleefully every night. The country has tried the "feed the rich and we will all be better off" routine since Ronnie's administration. It failed!

If it was so good for us to have less taxes, less regulation and more money in everyone's pocket as you claim, then why are we in the mess we are in?? (Please don't start with Obama's deficit spending, because he inherited the biggest sh!t sandwich ever before he was even sworn into office and then had to contend with the party of "NO" at every turn.) Besides, no Republican gave two wits about the deficit or shrinking the government (TSA, the largest one time expansion of Federal Workers under W.) when they were in total control of the government.

In other words, conservatives talk a lot about smaller government and less spending, but when actually in power their actions never seem to back up what they are selling to the public. The only reason their sales pitch is effective is that most right wing disciples seem to willfully ignore facts in favor of "Happy Thoughts" about a bygone era that when examined up close actually never existed in the first place. Mythology pure!

Cue up "America the Beautiful" and begin furiously waving little American flags conveniently made in China for so much less...

I.M.H.O of course.

 

[Sparse]

I guess warren buffet will do,it next. Funny how they support Obama but they like republican policy.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterjreilly/2012/12/02/is-costcos-jim-senegal-a-hypocrite/

 

[OHGOON]

Ahh. I validated your source and I'm closed minded? The mans job is to slander unions. Come to me with a reputable source, not propaganda. I will listen all day and twice on Sunday.

The problem seems to be gret's inability to distinguish between propaganda and honest reporting.

I.M.H.O.