The Big January Bid at SWA for AT

[StopNTSing]

Lots of used aircraft from all over the world are up at PAE right now in conversion (even some -700s from Alaska!)....something like about 15 total for this year I thought I heard. Not nearly enough to offset the 88 717s going over to Mother Delta, I know, but these used acft plus the continuing steady delivery of new -800s from Boeing is at least a good down payment on closing the deficit. Hopefully a whole lot more aircraft will be going through conversion next year, too. I'm wondering, though, if these acft may just be short-term place-holders in the fleet until the Max starts arriving in big numbers. Only time will tell...

 

[Saluki Dawg]

Hope and change! Explosive growth! Where do I sign?

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

Not nearly enough to offset the 88 717s going over to Mother Delta, QUOTE]

We've covered so much BS, I've simply forgot. If the 71 would have stayed and the 300's and 500's left at an accelerated pace as the 71's were converted, would we not be in a similar position? In fact, maybe better off as 2/3 of the pilot group would have only needed basic indoc and not necessitated the hiring of pilots to offset 200 pilots at a time in some phase of training. I'm not going back into the argument of the 71 stay vs. go, only trying to see the difference in net airframes and being fat on pilots.

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

Hope and change! Explosive growth! Where do I sign?

PCL and Wave can answer that for you. :0

 

[StopNTSing]

Hope and change! Explosive growth! Where do I sign?

Please do not mistake me for a company apologist. I joined the 5th & 20th club a long time ago. Just posting some fleet info I've seen/heard for anybodies info who cares (or not).

 

[HowardBorden]

Lots of used aircraft from all over the world are up at PAE right now in conversion (even some -700s from Alaska!)....something like about 15 total for this year I thought I heard. Not nearly enough to offset the 88 717s going over to Mother Delta, I know, but these used acft plus the continuing steady delivery of new -800s from Boeing is at least a good down payment on closing the deficit. Hopefully a whole lot more aircraft will be going through conversion next year, too. I'm wondering, though, if these acft may just be short-term place-holders in the fleet until the Max starts arriving in big numbers. Only time will tell...

From Flight Ops Training Topics 02/14.

Retiring Classics 2014: 1-300, 3-500's
Retiring NG's 2014: 0
New NG's acquired 2014: 33-800's
Used NG's acquired 2014: 20-700's

Net change 737's 2014: Plus 49

I know we added 20 new 800's in 2013 but am not sure of net retirements that year.

Delta's published acceptance schedule shows 36 717's transitioning in 2014. Even if you add that to the 16 delivered in 2013, that's a total of 52 delivered to Delta in 2013-14.

http://airchive.com/blog/2013/07/18/deltas-first-717-flights-atlanta-newark-on-september-19th/

http://centreforaviation.com/analys...pproach-to-growth-with-deferral-of-737s-74365

 

[JetMonkey]

Any truth to the rumor about a FLL base? FA's, Pilots or both?

 

[scoreboardII]

It's a rumor, it makes sense. So no, no hope.... They also said they would never go back to DEN, SFO, or open LAS as a crew base.

 

[Saluki Dawg]

Please do not mistake me for a company apologist. I joined the 5th & 20th club a long time ago. Just posting some fleet info I've seen/heard for anybodies info who cares (or not).

No worries. Just my cynical side coming out, I guess we've all just had the football yanked away too many times.

 

[jimcav]

From Flight Ops Training Topics 02/14.

Retiring Classics 2014: 1-300, 3-500's
Retiring NG's 2014: 0
New NG's acquired 2014: 33-800's
Used NG's acquired 2014: 20-700's

Net change 737's 2014: Plus 49

I know we added 20 new 800's in 2013 but am not sure of net retirements that year.

Delta's published acceptance schedule shows 36 717's transitioning in 2014. Even if you add that to the 16 delivered in 2013, that's a total of 52 delivered to Delta in 2013-14.

http://airchive.com/blog/2013/07/18/deltas-first-717-flights-atlanta-newark-on-september-19th/

http://centreforaviation.com/analys...pproach-to-growth-with-deferral-of-737s-74365

Plus 24 deliveries and any used jets they come upon in '15 will offset the remaining 717s.

 

[Daddy]

Huh??

 

[Daddy]

Big plus ups in Dallas and Bwi for October vacancy. Atlanta steady....I find this interesting. I think ATL may be big in the initial big january bid for air tran transitions. SWA will do anything to save a buck and that might save a lot of paid moves. Not sure how that works for air tran transitions tho. Just talking out of my ass here....uneducated guess.

 

[Quiet Flight]

I will vote no on until I see a way to trade my trips with company trips.

Hey Mr. Wizard, ELITT is trading with company trips. TTGA is with other pilots. Glad to see you've figured it out...

 

[SWA Bubba]

Big plus ups in Dallas and Bwi for October vacancy. Atlanta steady....I find this interesting. I think ATL may be big in the initial big january bid for air tran transitions. SWA will do anything to save a buck and that might save a lot of paid moves. Not sure how that works for air tran transitions tho. Just talking out of my ass here....uneducated guess.

Wright Amendment finally goes away in its entirety in October. Lots of DAL growth, especially longer haul, when that happens. Hence the base growth.

Bubba

 

[waveflyer]

PCL and Wave can answer that for you. :0

I'm better off today than I was 6 years ago

You?