The American crawl is back....

[MD80DRVR]

or did it ever end?

Nothing like getting stuck behind an AA 737 taxiing at 5 kts.

I don't mind following them, $$$.

 

[Fubijaakr]

After discussing this w a buddy who is on pro stands, we both agree that it's fubis god given right to be a jerk online.

I guess you should know something about how the Union world works before you make threats, because obviously you didn't agree when you made them. And I'm also sure the guys who read your PMs now realize who the lying crybaby is. The crickets are deafening.

You might want to invest another $10 and get a new screen name to reestablish any little credibility you have.

I don't mind following them, $$$.

+1!

 

[Mookie]

I guess you should know something about how the Union world works before you make threats, because obviously you didn't agree when you made them. And I'm also sure the guys who read your PMs now realize who the lying crybaby is. The crickets are deafening.

You might want to invest another $10 and get a new screen name to reestablish any little credibility you have.



+1!

You're right, Fubes, I can't possibly respond to your well thought and well written post. Since I'm in the bottom 10% of seniority, I'll just keep my mouth shut and bow to your wisdom. I'm very proud that you represent, as you state, the opinion of 90% of AK pilots. I guess I havnt had the pleasure of flying with any of them.

Happy holidays, Fubi

Mookie

 

[spacecadet1]

Rumor is AMR is going to put all their 50 seaters into SW's busiest airports, and jam 'em up bad. Just like ORD.

 

[Tripower455]

The irony of this thread is incredible. SWA pilots lecturing others on TAXIING????? And professionalism??? Are you kidding me?

JUST TODAY, my LATEST experience with these clowns:

We taxi out in PBI, about 3 minutes before SWA calls for taxi. We taxi out at a fairly brisk pace (18-20K), my last leg of the day. SWA, doing easily 45K on the outer trying to pass us, unfortunately we got to end of the runway first. The SWA guy was so out of control I stopped short because I didn't think he could stop. His FO screaming on the radio they're "ready to go", they cut right in front of us (again, luckily I stopped), and they're cleared for TO. We took off less than 1 minute behind them, and followed them north, where we were treated to a Lufthansa responding to an RA they generated climbing to FL230.

Professional? Safe? Yeah, right. If you work for SWA, just STFU about professionalism, at least until there is a massive change in the safety culture there.

We've got our bad apples like anyone else.....

I don't condone or operate like that, and never have, so I will continue to "lecture" about lack of professionalism and courtesy.

Don't feel bad, some of our guys do it to us too, but we certainly don't hold the monopoly on unprofessional behavior (the fact that this thread exists is but one indicator). Heck, a DAL guy got me in MCO a few weeks ago. It was one of those "photo finish" type of situations where ground cleared us both to taxi without telling us who had priority. As soon as he figured that out, he went from barely moving (I was almost dead stopped) to V1, until he got in front of us, then slowed to a crAAwl all the way to 18L. Really? Why?

Disregarding the color and logo on the airplane, who would you prefer to be behind? A guy doing V1 who won't have any impact on your schedule, or the guy going half the speed of smell, that will cause you to be late?

The crAAwl is akin to the moron driving in the left lane without passing.

All it does is give said moron a false sense of superiority, and gum up the works for everyone else.

 

[Ty Webb]

.... or the guy going half the speed of smell, that will cause you to be late?

Actually, the speed of smell is fast, according episode #4 of "The Cockpit". :laugh:

 

[SWA Bubba]

The irony of this thread is incredible. SWA pilots lecturing others on TAXIING????? And professionalism??? Are you kidding me?

JUST TODAY, my LATEST experience with these clowns:

We taxi out in PBI, about 3 minutes before SWA calls for taxi. We taxi out at a fairly brisk pace (18-20K), my last leg of the day. SWA, doing easily 45K on the outer trying to pass us, unfortunately we got to end of the runway first. The SWA guy was so out of control I stopped short because I didn't think he could stop. His FO screaming on the radio they're "ready to go", they cut right in front of us (again, luckily I stopped), and they're cleared for TO. We took off less than 1 minute behind them, and followed them north, where we were treated to a Lufthansa responding to an RA they generated climbing to FL230.

Professional? Safe? Yeah, right. If you work for SWA, just STFU about professionalism, at least until there is a massive change in the safety culture there.

Yeah... absolutely no exaggeration there. I'm sure it happened exactly like that. On the other hand, two days ago I was taxiing out when a Delta guy cut me off. I was gonna' race him to the end, but then he rolled down his window and pointed a gun at me. It was a Glock, and he was holding it sideways, so I knew it was for a kill shot. Although our FOM says I'm supposed to go anyway in such cases (guns smaller than .50 cal), I relented and let him by. Now I'll probably have to go see the Chief for being a pusssy.

Bubba

 

[say again]

Yeah... absolutely no exaggeration there. I'm sure it happened exactly like that. On the other hand, two days ago I was taxiing out when a Delta guy cut me off. I was gonna' race him to the end, but then he rolled down his window and pointed a gun at me. It was a Glock, and he was holding it sideways, so I knew it was for a kill shot. Although our FOM says I'm supposed to go anyway in such cases (guns smaller than .50 cal), I relented and let him by. Now I'll probably have to go see the Chief for being a pusssy.

Bubba

Hahahaha, I had the same thoughts!! :beer: He needed to embellish the story a bit to keep it exciting, just like they do on all of these "reality" tv shows on.

 

[say again]

The irony of this thread is incredible. SWA pilots lecturing others on TAXIING????? And professionalism??? Are you kidding me?

JUST TODAY, my LATEST experience with these clowns:

We taxi out in PBI, about 3 minutes before SWA calls for taxi. We taxi out at a fairly brisk pace (18-20K), my last leg of the day. SWA, doing easily 45K on the outer trying to pass us, unfortunately we got to end of the runway first. The SWA guy was so out of control I stopped short because I didn't think he could stop. His FO screaming on the radio they're "ready to go", they cut right in front of us (again, luckily I stopped), and they're cleared for TO. We took off less than 1 minute behind them, and followed them north, where we were treated to a Lufthansa responding to an RA they generated climbing to FL230.

Professional? Safe? Yeah, right. If you work for SWA, just STFU about professionalism, at least until there is a massive change in the safety culture there.

Sure..... Great story btw. Hopefully you'll post part 2 on their approach and landing.

 

[Tripower455]

Actually, the speed of smell is fast, according episode #4 of "The Cockpit". :laugh:

LOL..... Thanks for giving me something else to waste my time with!

 

[UpNDownGuy]

Good strategy. Get on a board full of airline pilots, and try to act like my experience yesterday was even unusual. HELLO! This kind of thing is so prevelant that the majority of pilots have had SWA pull some stunt like this to them also. You think no one will believe me, when they've seen it first hand? Good thinking.

Your posts are a symptom of the problem over there. This kind of behavior is denied, excused or outright encouraged. It isn't discouraged for sure. If I had witnessed one of my airline's pilots acting that recklessly, I would have called him out on it on our internal board. Almost every pilot at every airline would do the same thing, EXCEPT SW. That is the difference. There is no peer pressure to discourage these guys; it's condoned.

DING! You are now free to continue reckless flying all over the country.

 

[Ty Webb]

LOL..... Thanks for giving me something else to waste my time with!

Well, let me save you a little time . . . . The best episode is this one.

Enjoy!

:beer:

 

[Tripower455]

Good strategy. Get on a board full of airline pilots, and try to act like my experience yesterday was even unusual. HELLO! This kind of thing is so prevelant that the majority of pilots have had SWA pull some stunt like this to them also. You think no one will believe me, when they've seen it first hand? Good thinking.

Your posts are a symptom of the problem over there. This kind of behavior is denied, excused or outright encouraged. It isn't discouraged for sure. If I had witnessed one of my airline's pilots acting that recklessly, I would have called him out on it on our internal board. Almost every pilot at every airline would do the same thing, EXCEPT SW. That is the difference. There is no peer pressure to discourage these guys; it's condoned.

DING! You are now free to continue reckless flying all over the country.

Who are you talking to?

Condoned? In 16 years at SW, I've never heard anyone condone any type of reckless flying.

If we're so reckless, then how do you explain our safety record, which I'd be happy to compare to any airline, including yours.

 

[Quimby]

The irony of this thread is incredible. SWA pilots lecturing others on TAXIING????? And professionalism??? Are you kidding me?

JUST TODAY, my LATEST experience with these clowns:

We taxi out in PBI, about 3 minutes before SWA calls for taxi. We taxi out at a fairly brisk pace (18-20K), my last leg of the day. SWA, doing easily 45K on the outer trying to pass us, unfortunately we got to end of the runway first. The SWA guy was so out of control I stopped short because I didn't think he could stop. His FO screaming on the radio they're "ready to go", they cut right in front of us (again, luckily I stopped), and they're cleared for TO. We took off less than 1 minute behind them, and followed them north, where we were treated to a Lufthansa responding to an RA they generated climbing to FL230.

Professional? Safe? Yeah, right. If you work for SWA, just STFU about professionalism, at least until there is a massive change in the safety culture there.

The walls in your glass house are fogging up.....

What perfect operation did you say you work for? There's bad apples on every seniority list.

 

[SWA Bubba]

Good strategy. Get on a board full of airline pilots, and try to act like my experience yesterday was even unusual. HELLO! This kind of thing is so prevelant that the majority of pilots have had SWA pull some stunt like this to them also. You think no one will believe me, when they've seen it first hand? Good thinking.

Your posts are a symptom of the problem over there. This kind of behavior is denied, excused or outright encouraged. It isn't discouraged for sure. If I had witnessed one of my airline's pilots acting that recklessly, I would have called him out on it on our internal board. Almost every pilot at every airline would do the same thing, EXCEPT SW. That is the difference. There is no peer pressure to discourage these guys; it's condoned.

DING! You are now free to continue reckless flying all over the country.

No, dude. I believe you. Whatever you say. In fact, I distinctly remember in new-hire training being trained to "scream on the radio" when we're ready to go. It's a little-known secret tidbit in the FARs that screaming indicates to ATC that you're more important than the guy ahead of you, and that you need priority to takeoff, despite their sequencing plan. It's kinda' like a ground-to-air emergency, and then the tower is actually required to let you go ahead of the guys in front of you. Happens all the time.

DING! You are now free to continue saying stupid, highly embelished sh1t that no real pilot would believe.

Bubba

 

[slaquer5]

The walls in your glass house are fogging up.....

What perfect operation did you say you work for? There's bad apples on every seniority list.

They, (updownguy), use to fly for ATA. Now Jet blue.

 

[say again]

Who are you talking to?

Condoned? In 16 years at SW, I've never heard anyone condone any type of reckless flying.

If we're so reckless, then how do you explain our safety record, which I'd be happy to compare to any airline, including yours.

I believe he was talking to me, though I don't work for SWA. I've seen reckless taxiing ranging from C-152's-A380's, but he has to make it a point to single out SWA with his embellished stories. Either he's jealous of SWA or a hater.

 

[CA1900]

Well, let me save you a little time . . . . The best episode is this one.

"Good moooorning, fellas! Ooooh, smells like womens in here..."

:laugh:

 

[Ty Webb]

"Good moooorning, fellas! Ooooh, smells like womens in here..."

:laugh:

Capt: "Gaskins to Tower . . . Can I get a Yellow cab over here, at Gate 69, Stat?".

Tower: "Captain Gaskins, you are 'The Man'!"

Capt: "I know".

Gotta love the PBR and Corn Flakes breakfast, too!

 

[Fubijaakr]

I'm very proud that you represent, as you state, the opinion of 90% of AK pilots. I guess I havnt had the pleasure of flying with any of them.

I think its because you're too timid to bring up the topics to your Captains. Funny how the guys I fly with with strong personalities and opinions are memorable. You, however, are eminently forgettable.

If the deafening crickets from the guys who I sent your PMs to is any indication, they recognize a liar and coward when they see one.

To paraphrase Animal House:

"Scared, lying and cowardly is no way to go through life, Son."

Perhaps if you'd grow a pair and stand for something, you wouldn't be so scared of what people think of you, Mousie.