The American crawl is back....

[suupah]

Sounds an awful lot like you SWA boys want to tell other pilots what to do. If you have to fly underblock to pad your paycheck, TFB. Perhaps you should concentrate less on hurry and more on safety.

That would have kept at least two of your airplanes inside the airport boundary.

http://www.dallasnews.com/business/...ican-Airlines-crash-in-Jamaica-could-5597.ece

luv has no monopoly on running off runways because of bad judgement

 

[suupah]

Considering the fines you guys pay, looks like that philosophy applies to the maintenance department, too.

hmmmm luv hasn't cornered that market either


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/27/business/27fine.html

 

[regionaltard]

He knows it was East because the guy had his blinker on the whole time.

You win Flight Info for 2011.

 

[doylehargraves]

Captain Denny needs to read this. Giving is selfish and self-fulfilling, hence him posing for the picture...

http://www.amazon.com/Cold-Blooded-Kindness-Neuroquirks-Codependent-Reflections/dp/161614419X

 

[SWA Bubba]

Rush, rush, rush. Push, push, push. Just to make a few extra bucks. The SWA motto.

Guess you never heard the old saying...Haste makes waste. I guess when you have 500 airplanes, you can wreck a few here and there. Considering the fines you guys pay, looks like that philosophy applies to the maintenance department, too.

Still deflecting I see. Hey dumbazz, pay attention! We're talking about taxi speeds here. Those two incidents have nothing to do with taxiing. Nothing. Are you really that obtuse, or are you just deflecting because you've already admitted that YOU are one of those taxi-like-an-ant guys? Come to think of it, is that the Alaska motto? Or just the Fubijaakr motto? Ironically to make a few extra bucks, as you said, and then gave SWA guys crap about.

Also, if you think about your own airline's history, I'm sure you'll realize that you really don't really want to compare safety records and wrecking airplanes, especially when you bring up maintenance departments. You know what I mean?

Putz.

Bubba

 

[SWA Bubba]

You folks especially you SW guys don't get it. I fully support an AA pilot group that has been set up to get screwed. Will management get screwed....NO. Management understands one thing and that's money. I highly doubt the AA guys are "padding their paychecks." They are intent on costing AA money on misconects ect. You folks who think that management will come around and play fair after 5 years of negotiating are high.

Good luck to all you AA guys. If I get stuck behind you, which happens all the time in ORD, I have no problem with it. In fact I question the week sisters that are not doing it.

Eagle-- I DO get it, but I don't think you get what we're saying.

If AA wants to crawl-taxi for strategic purposes during their management and BK issues, I don't have a problem with that. More power to 'em. And I never said it was "padding their paychecks." I said that Fubijaakr and guys like him crawl-taxi to pad their paychecks (he gets paid by the minute), and to be honest, I don't care about that either. What I DO care about is people crawl-taxiing for whatever reason they have, and inconveniencing others who are NOT in the same position. That's inconsiderate and unprofessional, and in the Fubi-greed guys case, narcissistic.

There are ways to do what AA guys (and Fubi, for that matter) want to do withOUT screwing others. Taxi at a normal speed and then pull over. Rerun paperwork. Rerun data. Tell ground you're resolving a passenger issue or something. You're waiting on your numbers. Ask for a different runway, and taxi at the speed of snot on taxiways that other folks are not using. Whatever. Just don't screw the other pilots. Think about it, Eagle: how'd you like to barely miss your commute flight because it took you 27 minutes to taxi to the runway behind Fubijaakr when it should have taken you 8-10 minutes at the most? He's got his extra $5 for that flight, and you get to buy a hotel room and not go home that night. Wow, that seems fair.

Now Fubijaakr will undoubtedly come on again, and post something about SWA always rushing, and probably even bring up our two overruns again. Why? That's him. Does it have anything to do with the thread topic? No, of course not. We're talking about taxiing excessively slow for personal reasons, and he wants to make it about fast taxiing. So he'll continue to deflect and spin anti-SWA, because he said something really stupid, and doesn't know how to take it back. He'll keep trying to steer the conversation another way, and hope that you forget that he's a self-centered, egotistical putz. That's our Fubi!

Just thought you should know.

Bubba

 

[G4dude]

I can make more $$$ in a month by logging less hours per trip.

I understand the "crawl" thing, and due to contractual issues, have done it myself in previous lives, BUT, if there was someone behind me, I'd pick it up or let them by. Have a little consideration for your fellow professionals.

I've been hosed by the "crAAwl" a bunch of times over the years, but the record has to be the time I got stuck behind an AA Maddog in ABQ. He was #1 for departure and "taxiing" on the outer. We pushd a few mnutes after him, and taxied normally on the inner and had to hold short of the outer for over 10 minutes so we could follow him to 26. It took us 27 minutes (even longer for them because they pushed before us) to taxi to 26, and they STILL weren't ready at the end, so we ended up going before them anyway. They probably had to let the brakes cool after dragging them so long.

GMAFB

I have been out of touch for a while...what are those AA guys upset about?

 

[gutshotdraw]

I have been out of touch for a while...what are those AA guys upset about?

Oh buddy, we need to fly together soon so I can catch you up...on a lot of things.

 

[Mookie]

Rush, rush, rush. Push, push, push. Just to make a few extra bucks. The SWA motto.

Guess you never heard the old saying...Haste makes waste. I guess when you have 500 airplanes, you can wreck a few here and there. Considering the fines you guys pay, looks like that philosophy applies to the maintenance department, too.

Knock it off jFubi. This is embarrassing to read as an AK pilot. Look in the mirror before u make such stupid statements. Some of us have flown w u.

To the rest of the guys, this guy in no way represents the rest of the 1360-ish Alaska pilots...

Mookie

 

[Sandhawk]

I have been out of touch for a while...what are those AA guys upset about?

The list of what they are NOT upset about is a lot shorter...

 

[BuckMurdock1]

I hear a story that a while ago, some d-bag mgmt pilot tried to call scheduling from his cell phone while taxiiing to learn who the crew was in the crAAwling MD80 he was following (so he could chastise them presumably). F/O turned in CA for using cell phone during sterile flight deck (and CA couldn't deny it as scheduling had tape of call)..I believe he was violated and/or demoted.
Love it!!! Sometimes thre is justice in the world.
.. And I'd like to buy F/O several beers.

 

[Captain Fulough]

Knock it off jFubi. This is embarrassing to read as an AK pilot. Look in the mirror before u make such stupid statements. Some of us have flown w u.

To the rest of the guys, this guy in no way represents the rest of the 1360-ish Alaska pilots...

Mookie

Great post. Unfortunately every airline has a few idiots that show up on these forums. Fubi happens to be your airlines village idiot.

Fortunately most of us realize that he is not the norm. Thanks to the rest of you guys who have treated me well on my trips to Alaska.

 

[bubbers44]

I was doing a slowdown tactic going into SFO one day being level at 10,000 60 miles out at 250 knots. I think it was Alaska behind us wondering if he was following a Citation. I cranked back to 320 knots knowing it was our war, not theirs. The accelerating cost enough fuel burn to still hurt the company but not piss off your competition trying to do a good job. Slowing down an airport to get even with your company isn't being professional. Screwing with your company to get results is.

 

[Fubijaakr]

Enjoy your subpar job for subpar pay, and keep on unnecessarily adding to the airport gridlock for your own selfish reasons. Jealousy doesn't become you.

Jealous? Not hardly. I never wanted to work for a PFT Regional even if you do fly 737s and get paid $20 an hour more than me.

You want to talk, subpar job at subpar pay, talk to NEDude.

BTW, how did any of you clowns become airline pilots and NOT know the difference between a mechanical failure and pilot error (twice!)...Yikes.

 

[Fubijaakr]

Really? Maybe I'm misunderstanding you. Are you really saying it's okay to taxi ridiculously slow to pad your paycheck (or make a statement), regardless of what it does to other pilots at that airport?

But like I said, maybe I'm just hearing you wrong.

Yeah, you are. I don't do it. Our pairings are overblocked like crazy to maximize on time stats.

I ONLY taxi slow when SWA is behind me.

 

[Mookie]

Yeah, you are. I don't do it. Our pairings are overblocked like crazy to maximize on time stats.

I ONLY taxi slow when SWA is behind me.

God, you are embarrassing...

Mookie

 

[Fubijaakr]

Some of us have flown w u.

You're right. Had to check my logbook. One time. And you were a month off probation. Guess that's why you're so forgettable.

You might be surprised to find out how many of our guys agree with me.

When I was in the bottom 10% of the seniority list, I generally kept my "opinions" to myself.

 

[Mookie]

Well, guess what? YOU haven't. And you might be surprised to find out how many of our guys agree with me.

When I was in the bottom 90% of the seniority list, I generally kept my "opinions" to myself.

Yes, I have. And was not impressed especially considering how much you blowhard on here to other pilot groups.

Are you going to threaten me via PM again?
Mookie

 

[aa73]

I hear a story that a while ago, some d-bag mgmt pilot tried to call scheduling from his cell phone while taxiiing to learn who the crew was in the crAAwling MD80 he was following (so he could chastise them presumably). F/O turned in CA for using cell phone during sterile flight deck (and CA couldn't deny it as scheduling had tape of call)..I believe he was violated and/or demoted.
Love it!!! Sometimes thre is justice in the world.
.. And I'd like to buy F/O several beers.

True story. The Mad Dog was taxiing slowly b/c his gate was occupied (regular occurrence at DFW.) The 737 Fleet Captain was taxiing behind him, irritated beyond belief, convinced this was some kind of slow down, and called WHILE TAXIING HIS 737 to have the CA removed from his trip. A whole crapload of AA pilots turned him in. He did get demoted - to manager of SOC (Dispatch.)

Look, to the rest of you on this debate - most guys I fly with taxi at a regular pace. Yes we do have more than a few crawlers. If I fly with one of those and notice someone "tailgating", I get on the radio and tell Ground that he's more than welcome to taxi around us - we'll give way. It's worked a couple of times. But do keep this in mind: Our own VP of Flight - THE Head Honcho - consistently tells us to fly "aggressively safe" in his weekly hotlines. Don't know about you but that means we are to be aggressively safe in all areas of operation - we can read between the lines. Don't forget, we also have an unusually long Before T/O checklist that requires the F/O to be heads down a lot more than other airlines, and our CAs do A LOT of stuff while they're taxiing that most other airlines don't do (CAs here are required to make the "F/As Prepare for Takeoff" PA, they also start the engines so if we are S/E taxiing he starts the second engine.) Those things probably contribute to our slow taxis... most other airlines I know have the F/O do all that stuff.

So, our apologies, but don't expect us to be gung ho in helping the operation here - the mood here has not been exactly stellar here lately.

 

[Fubijaakr]

The 737 Fleet Captain was taxiing behind him, irritated beyond belief, convinced this was some kind of slow down, and called WHILE TAXIING HIS 737 to have the CA removed from his trip.

Heard the FAA got in on it as a violation of sterile cockpit.

So, our apologies, but don't expect us to be gung ho in helping the operation here - the mood here has not been exactly stellar here lately.

Now there's a surprise.