Thanks SkyW

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Why not get rid of all of ALPA National, get some fresh blood in there.

Elections were in 2006. Unhappy already?

ALPA is a business... perhpas you can get a 100% Satisfaction gauranteed on democracy...

 

[JoeMerchant]

You are right. We are already being whipsawed when CAL said in their letter that "absent in our entering into a CPA with the savings of the magnitude with Skywest, we currently expect to deliver to ExpressJet on June 28, 2008, a notice to withdraw 51 of the existing 205 Covered Aircraft from the current CPA, beginning in December 2009." You can thank SKW for being a party in us already being whipsawed before any transaction is even complete. But its way more pervasive to be whipsawed by airlines owned by the SAME company!

You were already whipsawed when your flying was given to CHQ.....ALPA has helped contribute to the whipsaw and now they want us to cough up more dues....

Jump on the Skywest wagon...it's not that bad......

Don't become the next ACA...

 

[SKYWRJGUY]

You're welcome-- I don't know what for really, you're just whining [typical of these boards really, and not original alas]. Instead of attempting to bash other pilots and whining ad infinitum, why don't you--or your union-speaks-for-you--guys go complain to Jerry directly, as he's got an open door policy. he even answers emails: tell him about how shallow he is, and that we'll get what's coming to us. I'm sure his 30 years in the business is trumped by your stupidity founded on fear and a general lack of intellect. If this site would have been around in 1997, I'm sure we would have gotten the "you'll get yours in the end" speech then too, but funny how the board content never predicts reality.

 

[Metro752]

You're welcome-- I don't know what for really, you're just whining [typical of these boards really, and not original alas]. Instead of attempting to bash other pilots and whining ad infinitum, why don't you--or your union-speaks-for-you--guys go complain to Jerry directly, as he's got an open door policy. he even answers emails: tell him about how shallow he is, and that we'll get what's coming to us. I'm sure his 30 years in the business is trumped by your stupidity founded on fear and a general lack of intellect. If this site would have been around in 1997, I'm sure we would have gotten the "you'll get yours in the end" speech then too, but funny how the board content never predicts reality.

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SKYWEST Sucks!
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[10nCLR]

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Metro752 Sucks!
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Huh? I don't understand. I'm confused now.

 

[Nevets]

You were already whipsawed when your flying was given to CHQ.....ALPA has helped contribute to the whipsaw and now they want us to cough up more dues....

Jump on the Skywest wagon...it's not that bad......

Don't become the next ACA...

You are right. CAL is whipswaing XJT with CHQ and they along with SKW is going to make it worse with the deal on the table. The current SKW wagon may not be that bad right now but it would not good for any of those pilot groups if it goes through as the deal stands now.

 

[rchcfi]

"This is how the industry works" doesn't put food on any tables. I make my living, and won't stand around idly by as I watch that living be given to someone else to fly the same aircraft on the same routes. Anyone who does that flying would be stepping on the backs of those on the street just to get ahead, and no, there's very little difference between that and a scab.quote]

You're right it doesn't. But yet you still decided to make this your career. And looking at some of your posts, you entered this field after the unfortunate events of 9/11. Therefore, you had every opportunity to choose a different career having the knowledge that this industry was NEVER going to be the same. Most of us had to live through that nightmare and many of us came out the other side on the street. Yes, I hated it but understood that it is a business, just like every other. If it starts bleeding red ink, changes need to be made.

You were a part of a very priviledged group of young and aspiring pilots who were in the right place at the right time. You do know that it all has to do with timing right? With the 800 hours you had when you got hired with XJT, no regional would have even looked at you 4 years ago. So would you have been spouting off about unfair hiring practices back then? With your attitude probably!

The price of oil placed together with bad management decisions has led us all down this path. I do stand with every other pilot who might be losing their job, but not you. You are just another one of those young punks who thinks he's entitled to this career and doesn't have to actually live through the ups and downs of this industry. As I said before, even though you might think you're entitled, YOU'RE NOT!

And the reason this became personal is because your comment about SKYW pilots being scabs. I would never cross a picket line (true definition of the word scab) to advance my career. Unfortunately you lumped all of us together instead keeping your big trap shut.

 

[Flip]

Well said rchcfi.

 

[unreal]

And the reason this became personal is because your comment about SKYW pilots being scabs. I would never cross a picket line (true definition of the word scab) to advance my career. Unfortunately you lumped all of us together instead keeping your big trap shut.

Here's a link to the post where I made my initial "scab" reference: http://forums.flightinfo.com/showpost.php?p=1585565&postcount=180

Where did I lump all SKW pilots together and call them scabs? I said, and I quote, "anyone who knowingly flies XJT aircraft with XJT pilots on the street is nothing better than a scab" (emphasis mine).

Pay attention before you post a reactionary and personal attack on my character. I do not believe, as much as you'd like to make me believe, that all SKW pilots are scabs. I do, however, believe that anyone who would throw his fellow pilot under the bus by exploiting a bad situation to his advantage has the attitude and character of a scab. Could I trust someone who put me out of work for a quick upgrade not to do something like cross a picket line? No I couldn't; while the former doesn't make someone a scab by definition, it still makes them a dishonorable person.

I will not address the rest of your post because of the personal attacks and unwarranted assumptions about the character of someone you've never met.

 

[unreal]

I just realized that I made the mistake of responding to your post before this where you made the same personal attacks. Very professional. Keep it up.

...and didn't you get hired at your regional after I did? This just gets better. :laugh:

 

[yahooair]

lets remember, its the SKYW pilots that are trying to get the contracts to shut down XJT. and not SKWY Inc.
the pilots sit around all night looking to screw over all the other carriers pilots and ruin lives.
Next i hear, its REPUBLIC, SHUTTLE, AIR CANADA, QUANTAS...damn SKYW pilots.....what are they thinking??.
most of you people are loosers
just an observation

 

[MONKEY]

Where did I lump all SKW pilots together and call them scabs? I said, and I quote, "anyone who knowingly flies XJT aircraft with XJT pilots on the street is nothing better than a scab" (emphasis mine).

So, Chatauqua comes in takes a bunch of "your" CAL flying, but it's ok because your management chose to lose money and fly your aircraft for a loss. Now if CAL gives flying to SKYW then it will be up to your management once again to decide if SkyWest pilots are scabs. If they decide to lose more money and keep your aircraft flying for branded then SkyWest pilots are not scabs, but if they give the aircraft back to CAL then they are scabs. Just waiting for your answer to clear that up for me. I just need you to let me know if I am a scab or not. I don't know if I can go on if I am.

PS. to the rest of XJT pilots: I wish you the best, and hope this works out well for you. I know that times are tough and I would hate to be in your shoes. I know that most of your group is great and have done A LOT for wages and benefits in the industry. I just hate it when pilots take the blame for managements decisions.

 

[Nevets]

So, Chatauqua comes in takes a bunch of "your" CAL flying, but it's ok because your management chose to lose money and fly your aircraft for a loss. Now if CAL gives flying to SKYW then it will be up to your management once again to decide if SkyWest pilots are scabs. If they decide to lose more money and keep your aircraft flying for branded then SkyWest pilots are not scabs, but if they give the aircraft back to CAL then they are scabs. Just waiting for your answer to clear that up for me. I just need you to let me know if I am a scab or not. I don't know if I can go on if I am.

PS. to the rest of XJT pilots: I wish you the best, and hope this works out well for you. I know that times are tough and I would hate to be in your shoes. I know that most of your group is great and have done A LOT for wages and benefits in the industry. I just hate it when pilots take the blame for managements decisions.

SKW management is not helping the "wages and benefits in the industry" either with their current proposal on the table.

 

[boxjockey]

most of you people are loosers
just an observation

Actually, the spelling is LOSERS, not loosers. Pot, meet kettle... Also, if you look in the dictionary, under "loosers", you would find a picture of me, "loosing" your mom. I digress...:beer:

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[rchcfi]

...and didn't you get hired at your regional after I did? This just gets better. :laugh:

Why yes I did. But tell me how that is relevant to this discussion.

There were only a handful of airlines I even contemplated when I went on my job search. Oh yeah, I probably could've sent a resume to United, Delta, or NWA. (I exceeded there mins. BTW) But I've been in this business in one form or another for the last 20 years and decided against the legacys for stability reasons. Even though I understand no one in this business is truly stable, I picked the one that had the best business model to succeed. My personal choices were SWA (my turbine PIC time wasn't quite at 1500) and SKYW.

And my decision wasn't based on quick upgrade. There are other things that are more important. You'll understand that as you age a little.

I might start listening to things you have to say as soon as you gain a little more experience in this field rookie!

 

[PBRstreetgang]

SKW management is not helping the "wages and benefits in the industry" either with their current proposal on the table.

luis,
While I agree with 99.9% of your posts, I will disagree on this one. SKYW managements fiduciary responsibility is to the shareholders, labor costs are part of doing business, lower is better for the company. Pilots, as well as all labor is on the other side of the table. This issue is ripe for ALPA to redetermine their stance on the transferring of flying from carrier to carrier in order to lower wages. This won't happen, and the practice will continue until long after you and I hit age 65.
Carry on
PBR

 

[Nevets]

luis,
While I agree with 99.9% of your posts, I will disagree on this one. SKYW managements fiduciary responsibility is to the shareholders, labor costs are part of doing business, lower is better for the company. Pilots, as well as all labor is on the other side of the table. This issue is ripe for ALPA to redetermine their stance on the transferring of flying from carrier to carrier in order to lower wages. This won't happen, and the practice will continue until long after you and I hit age 65.
Carry on
PBR

It was just flame bait. That is why I ended it with a wink. But it did its job by steering the discussion where I wanted it to go.

While I agree with you on fiduciary responsibility of management (someone has to do it), it doesn't mean I have to agree with the tactics of managements like Mesa's (Freedom), PNCL's (Colgan), TSA's (GoJets) or even what SKW's (ASA but mainly XJT) is trying to pull off here.

ALPA is in the midst of changing this. Its not a new concept. The Canadian regionals already have something in place. Mesaba and Pinacle had something similar in the past when they had a transfer of aircraft and there is currently a biletaral agreement that has been agree to in principle between MECs and managements. As a matter of fact, the XJT MEC is in agreement that if we were to ever get aircraft from another regional, we would do the right thing by bringing their pilots with us with seniority and longevity. I'm more optimistic we will see something before 35 years from now. No thanks to what SKW management is trying to do though.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Luis,
Thanks for the clarification, I have never been accused of being subtle. I guess thats how I missed the winky. Until ALPA finds a way to prevent the xfer for labor costs we are all skrewed(SKYW included).
PBR

 

[Nevets]

Luis,
Thanks for the clarification, I have never been accused of being subtle. I guess thats how I missed the winky. Until ALPA finds a way to prevent the xfer for labor costs we are all skrewed(SKYW included).
PBR

I agree. We had a meeting of the minds in STL a couple of months ago to start the process going on this. Like I said, there is already an agreement on principle between two MECs and their respective managements to do this. We are hoping this gets the ball rolling. And like I said, the XJT MEC will do the right thing by trying to bring pilots with their aircraft with their seniority and longevity if that were to ever occur. It has to start somewhere and the XJT MEC is trying to be on the forefront of that especially with the current situation.

 

[Digger Dude]

Just wondering why it was ok for expressjet to start flying in SLC, and in LAX....then they cry when skywest is interested in there flying...

 

[Future Furlough]

Just wondering why it was ok for expressjet to start flying in SLC, and in LAX....then they cry when skywest is interested in there flying...

You need to reread the entire thread. That is not what XJT pilots are most concerned about. They are fighting for all their jobs. Not just LAX (which probably goes away in 2009 anyway.) Skywest Inc killed LAX and SLC for ASA, not XJT.

 

[Superpilot92]

Just wondering why it was ok for expressjet to start flying in SLC, and in LAX....then they cry when skywest is interested in there flying...

Get informed before you pop off with your "crying" comments. Its not about flying in SLC and LAX. Get back to us when you figure out what the discussion is all about.

 

[Nevets]

Just wondering why it was ok for expressjet to start flying in SLC, and in LAX....then they cry when skywest is interested in there flying...

I understood that DAL cannot reduce SKW's flying. Is that not correct? I've read many many SKW posters on here say that countless times.

 

[Metro752]

NO CREWPASS
FOR SKYWEST AIRLINES PILOTS
THEIR MOTIVES ARE UNKNOWN
THEY CANNOT BE TRUSTED

SORRY GUYS WHO WANTED ALPA​

 

[Caflying]

Just wondering why it was ok for expressjet to start flying in SLC, and in LAX....then they cry when skywest is interested in there flying...

Ok you are an idiot... XJT in SLC is a different issue. XJT got a contract with DAL, with their airplanes. ASA was the one that lost the contract with DAL in LAX (may be thanks to Skywest that was just in the process to negotiate the pilots contract) the SLC is part of the LAX contract, and the shuffle of cities with the codeshares is a DAL business.
So as XJT is not flying any airplane that was under the certificate of Skywest, this is different.
But again, you are just an idiot from Skywest that does not see what is wrong in taking a plane from another company (while being owned by the same holding), have other pilots lose their jobs and you enjoy your quick upgrade....
Karma is a nasty thing and it comes around.

 

[Caflying]

NO CREWPASS
FOR SKYWEST AIRLINES PILOTS
THEIR MOTIVES ARE UNKNOWN
THEY CANNOT BE TRUSTED

SORRY GUYS WHO WANTED ALPA​

Or CASS for that matter... but you could also add several other airlines in the list....

 

[SKYWRJGUY]

CrewPass and CASS should both require character and a propensity for independent thinking, to which Metro752 and CalFlying would not qualify. When you guys have anything relevant to say, feel free to make a plausible post.

 

[rchcfi]

Koolaid drinking quasi-scab

I rest SKYWCRJGUY's case............

 

[XPOO]

So, Chatauqua comes in takes a bunch of "your" CAL flying, but it's ok because your management chose to lose money and fly your aircraft for a loss. Now if CAL gives flying to SKYW then it will be up to your management once again to decide if SkyWest pilots are scabs. If they decide to lose more money and keep your aircraft flying for branded then SkyWest pilots are not scabs, but if they give the aircraft back to CAL then they are scabs. Just waiting for your answer to clear that up for me. I just need you to let me know if I am a scab or not. I don't know if I can go on if I am.

PS. to the rest of XJT pilots: I wish you the best, and hope this works out well for you. I know that times are tough and I would hate to be in your shoes. I know that most of your group is great and have done A LOT for wages and benefits in the industry. I just hate it when pilots take the blame for managements decisions.

I think it only counts as "scab" work when the airline flying the routes is a non-union carrier. If a union carrier came in and took their aircraft and routes and kicked their guys on the streets, it would not be considered "scab" work. All's fair as long as your paying your 2+%.

 

[yahooair]

If your serious and want to flex your muscles...do not let skywest pilots on any of your a/c.
Its time to see how far we can take this.
And SKYW pilots, do not let any alpa pilots on your a/c.
time to put up or shut up.
lets see if some of you guys have the balls.
Starting.........................NOW!