Thanks SkyW

[10nCLR]

Ah, the joys of kicking back, sippin on an ice cold glass of turkwise Kool-Aid and reading 10 pages of useless, uninformative, monotonous but funny FI bull********************. Tis another day is coming to an end on FI with dreams of even a better day tomorrow. Wait, what was the topic of this thread again, oh yeah!!!
Thanks SkyWest, for at least allowing me to have a job with an airline, a competitive airline at that, the best in the regional business.

 

[No.W.]

So after one year you get a grant that is vested after year four and then on year two you get a grant that is vested on year five and so on?

Yeah, but you don't get grants until(I think) three years in. My first vests next year, then every year after that.

 

[No.W.]

You can have it paid out every year or only when you leave?

I think you can do it every year.

I've never had enough in my user and vacation banks to take out...I'm always taking time off after working too hard.

 

[No.W.]

Yeah, but you don't get grants until(I think) three years in. My first vests next year, then every year after that.

OOPS...someone already answered that one ALOT better than I did.

 

[WAVIT Inbound]

You can have it paid out every year or only when you leave?

You can have it paid out whenever you want in the form of adding credit to your month in Sched plus. You can add credit on a day you didnt even work just to have some vacation paid out to you if you wanted to.

 

[No.W.]

You can have it paid out whenever you want in the form of adding credit to your month in Sched plus. You can add credit on a day you didnt even work just to have some vacation paid out to you if you wanted to.

I totally forgot about that.

I think you need three consecutive days off to do that and they plunk 4:18 out of your bank into the middle? I did that once, way back when...I had time to spare.

 

[flynd94]

Well after talking with a local Alpa rep all I can say is NO. The deal Skywest is offering us is unacceptable and, in its current form won't stand a chance with our pilot group. No one is immune from the most junior (me) to the most senior.

Hopefully, the MEC can negotiate a better deal. I am willing to take a furlough (everyone should always be prepared) if the deal is acceptable.

As it stands right now the only people who will benefit from the deal is Skywest, CAL and, what ever pilot group (ASA or Skywest) that gets the CAL flying.

Before you flame away the deal is for 205 aircraft for CoEx flying, contract to be evaluated in 1 year. If we (Xjet) are still to expensive Skywest can transfer 5 aircraft/month to one of their affiliates. Also, they will keep 29 of the 69 aircraft and, staff them with Skywest pilots.

This is a big sh*t sandwich that JA is trying to shove down our throat.

 

[Dubya]

Well after talking with a local Alpa rep all I can say is NO. The deal Skywest is offering us is unacceptable and, in its current form won't stand a chance with our pilot group. No one is immune from the most junior (me) to the most senior.

Hopefully, the MEC can negotiate a better deal. I am willing to take a furlough (everyone should always be prepared) if the deal is acceptable.

As it stands right now the only people who will benefit from the deal is Skywest, CAL and, what ever pilot group (ASA or Skywest) that gets the CAL flying.

Before you flame away the deal is for 205 aircraft for CoEx flying, contract to be evaluated in 1 year. If we (Xjet) are still to expensive Skywest can transfer 5 aircraft/month to one of their affiliates. Also, they will keep 29 of the 69 aircraft and, staff them with Skywest pilots.

This is a big sh*t sandwich that JA is trying to shove down our throat.

Try to think of it as a smooth, creamy sh!t sandwich with fresh homemade bread....cause the one you're getting from Jimmy R. will have chunks of corn in it.

Good luck XJT.

W

 

[joe_pilot]

Well after talking with a local Alpa rep all I can say is NO. The deal Skywest is offering us is unacceptable and, in its current form won't stand a chance with our pilot group. No one is immune from the most junior (me) to the most senior.

Hopefully, the MEC can negotiate a better deal. I am willing to take a furlough (everyone should always be prepared) if the deal is acceptable.

As it stands right now the only people who will benefit from the deal is Skywest, CAL and, what ever pilot group (ASA or Skywest) that gets the CAL flying.

Before you flame away the deal is for 205 aircraft for CoEx flying, contract to be evaluated in 1 year. If we (Xjet) are still to expensive Skywest can transfer 5 aircraft/month to one of their affiliates. Also, they will keep 29 of the 69 aircraft and, staff them with Skywest pilots.

This is a big sh*t sandwich that JA is trying to shove down our throat.

The Brown and Nutty Sandwich you're being asked to sample is a result of the Economy, specifically oil prices and nothing else. There’s nothing greedy or underhanded in it. JA sees opportunity for you guys and his shareholders, so he's pursuing it.

I have several good friends over at XJT; they think the deal isn't the best, but not as bad as the alternative. I hope you all do what is best for both your wallets and conscience.

Either way, I'm having a beer. You're welcome to one yourself if you like.

 

[ToiletDuck]

No I could end up not taking a single day off for vacation and just cash the vacation pay out for extra money. You do not have to actually take a day off to get vacation pay.

We have it the same way at RAH. I just let the days build up. If I need them I need them and if I don't I'll just wait till upgrade. All you do here is send an email or call and say "Hey I want to cash in XX amount of vacation pay". It'll be on the next check.

 

[Mentor]

Just to all that are interested please plan to be sick on the 31st of May through the 2nd of June.

Thanks,

Management

 

[Future Furlough]

The Brown and Nutty Sandwich you're being asked to sample is a result of the Economy, specifically oil prices and nothing else. There’s nothing greedy or underhanded in it. JA sees opportunity for you guys and his shareholders, so he's pursuing it.

I have several good friends over at XJT; they think the deal isn't the best, but not as bad as the alternative. I hope you all do what is best for both your wallets and conscience.

Either way, I'm having a beer. You're welcome to one yourself if you like.

It has nothing to do with the price of oil and everything to do with control of 274 aircraft. I don't believe for one second XJT lasts 4 years if Skywest has their way. I'd rather take my chances and remain independent.

And now, I'll have that beer.:beer:

 

[ArcticFlier]

Well well well. But it does matter remember? What about the Mesa pilots? They had nothing to do with anything but they continue to receive bashing. I think SkyWest is a even bigger floaty in the POS pool. Ask the pilot group from expressjet how they feel about them............

At the end of the day, what can a SKYW pilot do about this........zero. So, more to the point, ask me whether I care how the XJET guys feel about the SKYW pilots. Can't do anything about that either.

And some of you wonder why I haven't been on this site in six months.

 

[ArcticFlier]

Just to all that are interested please plan to be sick on the 31st of May through the 2nd of June.

Thanks,

Management

I'm off those days. Should I call in sick anyway?

 

[sweptback]

Before you flame away the deal is for 205 aircraft for CoEx flying, contract to be evaluated in 1 year. If we (Xjet) are still to expensive Skywest can transfer 5 aircraft/month to one of their affiliates. Also, they will keep 29 of the 69 aircraft and, staff them with Skywest pilots.

Keep in mind any aircraft (over 4 in a year) transferred to ASA will include pilots. These pilots will be fairly integrated into our list per our CBA. If ASA "benefits" from moving aircraft from ExpressJet it will not be at the pilots' expense.

However, given that Jerry can move aircraft from ExpressJet to SkyWest airlines with no restrictions, you can expect SkyWest to get any and all transferred aircraft and the ExpressJet pilots given nothing more than preferential hiring.

 

[Nevets]

Keep in mind any aircraft (over 4 in a year) transferred to ASA will include pilots. These pilots will be fairly integrated into our list per our CBA. If ASA "benefits" from moving aircraft from ExpressJet it will not be at the pilots' expense.

However, given that Jerry can move aircraft from ExpressJet to SkyWest airlines with no restrictions, you can expect SkyWest to get any and all transferred aircraft and the ExpressJet pilots given nothing more than preferential hiring.

That's exactly the deal SKW presented. I probably wouldn't call it greedy or underhanded but JA does see an opportunity to whipsaw Skywest airlines against XJT to force XJT to be "cost competitive." Unfortunately, there is nothing Skywest pilots can do about mitigating the whipsaw since they are non union.

 

[joe_pilot]

It has nothing to do with the price of oil and everything to do with control of 274 aircraft. I don't believe for one second XJT lasts 4 years if Skywest has their way. I'd rather take my chances and remain independent.

But the issue of control IS about oil prices. High oil means tough times and thin margins for those who have to buy the Jet-A. That means mainline (all of them) and you guys (for branded). The market reacts by de-valuing stock prices, creating opportunity for those with the cash.

To be honest, I would love to see you guys say no and still make it. I'm just afraid that if you say no, you won't make it. I had friends at ACA.

I want what is best for you guys and only you can decide that.

And now, I'll have that beer.:beer:

I'm good on my word, when's your next overnight in ATL?

 

[joe_pilot]

That's exactly the deal SKW presented. I probably wouldn't call it greedy or underhanded but JA does see an opportunity to whipsaw Skywest airlines against XJT to force XJT to be "cost competitive." Unfortunately, there is nothing Skywest pilots can do about mitigating the whipsaw since they are non union.

Sure, the opportunity is there, but it probably won't happen. Ask the ASA guys, don't take my word for it. You will probably be asked to be a bit leaner, like losing your awesome vacation rules and using PBS. That's my guess.

Say no if you don't like it. Again, I'm having a beer.

 

[sweptback]

Sure, the opportunity is there, but it probably won't happen. Ask the ASA guys, don't take my word for it. You will probably be asked to be a bit leaner, like losing your awesome vacation rules and using PBS. That's my guess.

Are you kidding me? After SkyWest bought ASA it was whipsaw central. How many former ASA airplanes is SkyWest flying now? Where did the 900s go? I recall a series of letters, first saying they were coming to ASA, then another saying because we didn't settle the contract they're going to SkyWest.

There may not be a whipsaw anymore, but that's just because there hasn't been any growth. Also, ASA's scope is just strong enough to protect our interests. While I don't think that SkyWest bought ASA with the intent of shutting us down, to say there has been no whipsaw is a blatant lie.

 

[Nevets]

Sure, the opportunity is there, but it probably won't happen. Ask the ASA guys, don't take my word for it. You will probably be asked to be a bit leaner, like losing your awesome vacation rules and using PBS. That's my guess.

Say no if you don't like it. Again, I'm having a beer.

If they aren't intending got whipsaw then they should at least allow XJT pilots bid for the aircraft they are planning on transferring over to Skywest Airlines. They could still whipsaw but at least they wont be able to furlough one pilot group and hire new ones at the other one when the transfer is complete.

The fact is that whipsaw is the main reason why they don't want our contract as is. And by definition, asking to be a bit leaner like losing awesome vacation rules and using PBS is whipsaw. That's not a guess.

No pilot should like it when one pilot group is going to get whipsawed against another.

The whole deal is just not right to do to your future employees.