Ted --- new name for UAL's Starfish

[skykid]

I was hoping you would see by your predictions you have zero credibility. You can't even admit when you are wrong when I show you your own words! Did UAL get DIP financing? Yes or no! Did UAL make it through March? Yes or no! Did UAL make it through the war? Yes or no!

You bet the LCO is a small, low risk part of the restructuring. Less than 10% of the fleet on planes already being filled on routes already being flown.

UAL needs a major restructuring to survive? Duh. There is a little more going on than this LCO, in case you haven't been keeping up with current events.

What is the grand plan? I thought this might be obvious to even the most casual observer, but I'll give it to you in a nutshell. Keep the route structure in place while significantly reducing costs and maximizing revenue. UAL is catching up to others with regional feed and going after the revenue like I've not seen before. A lot of firsts in the advertising dept. UAL is gaining crediblilty in the restructuring process by leading the biggest half dozen carriers in on-time performance - 2 years running.

Pre-petition debt and lease obligations. Before you post anything else on the old "not paying their bills track," do some homework and find out what UAL has to account for every month in BK court. More homework - find out what just happened this week to the DIA pre-petition debt. I'll give you a hint, its the same thing that will happen to most of the other pre-petition debt.

Maybe if you concentrate really hard, you and Bethune can will some bad stuff to happen over here. I know UAL isn't out of the woods yet! Don't need to be told that.

 

[Palerider957]

Someone needs to fire the pot-smoking, 25 year old marketing GEEKS who came up with this screwy name. HA HA, real creative... I liked Starfish better - didn't General Lee refer to Starfish as a 1960s term for ANUS?

"Obviously, it's for somebody who is into sort of a free, independent-skier sort of lifestyle," he said. "They are playing to reality advertising. They are definitely trying to go low-cost. They are trying to create an Internet cult following." Yeah, good luck with that one.... The ski bums they are attempting to attract probably can't even afford Greyhound tickets - they are ski bums who work at ski resorts to ski FOR FREE.... Will TED provide free tickets to different ski resorts? Can the overhead bins accomodate large numbers of snow boards? Could not be lamer DUDE! I think DUDE would have been a better name, but I think American is considering it... [/B]

Jeeeez, Heavy set---you are KILLING ME!!! ROFLMAO

 

[G4G5]

Ted? WTFO?

Vanna I would like to buy an H and an N

ThE EnD

 

[spinup]

Boingman,

Don't be bitter, just because CAL couldn't hold DEN doesn’t mean UAL cant.

 

[General Lee]

I like what Boeingman said earlier: If United and USAirways merged some day, they could create their own LCC with the last three or four letters of each of their names:

WAYS---TED. I'm wasted man!!! I hope it works.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[skykid]

When I first heard of 'Ted' I hated it. It is growing on me. I like the paint scheme, it is easily identified with United and mileage plus, it is easy to remember, and is catchy. I thought they were going with 'Liberty' - this is a much bolder move and has a lot more advertising potential. UAL and Frontier both just got most of what they wanted in DIA. Frontier is going to expand and gets some gates on a temp basis from UAL. United got the regional expansion, relief of pre-petition debt, and cheaper gates. I predict Frontier will continue to do well in Denver and grow somewhere else too. Their advertising is awesome. A lot of smart folks from Cali keep moving to the front range and there is plenty of room for them here and seats to fly out of DIA.

 

[Cleared Direct]

TED meet CAN

DALLAS, Nov. 12 /PRNewswire-LastCall/ -- Ending days of speculation in Dallas and around the country, American today confirmed that Can is the name of its new low-fare service that will bring travelers a quality experience with simplified low fares.

Culminating a successful guerilla marketing campaign in the city that will be its first hub, Can has generated buzz and excretement in Dallas, achieved through a series of random acts of urination. Can's unveiling celebration will take place on November 18 in Dallas, officially putting a face to the name.

While the mainline remains American's core product, Can expands the relevance of American's brand portfolio, capturing an opportunity in a high- growth segment of today's airline market.

"Customers want low fares and lots of lavatories, especially in our leisure markets," said Bob Killgore, Vice President - Low Cost Operation. "In order to meet that need and seize the opportunity, American has accomplished substantial cost reductions -- nearly $5 billion annually by 2005 -- that allow us to offer an operation that is competitive with other low-fare carriers. Can is supported by a profitable and sustainable plan, with higher aircraft utilization, a simplified schedule and fare structure, and more toilets per aircraft."

"Can isn't just a low cost initiative, it also creates more revenue opportunity in leisure focused markets," said Jim Smith, Executive Vice President - Customer. "Although Can will be an American branded product, it has been designed with a unique name and personality all its own. American chose the name Can to emphasize that the service is an essential, integrated part of the company -- it's the last three letters of the company's name," he added. "Through our guerilla campaign in Dallas, we've created intense interest in Can by reaching deep into the community in new and unique ways. The consumer response to our initiatives and the IGottaGoToTheCan.com website has been phenomenal."

Can will begin flying customers in February 2004 with service from Dallas to Reno, Las Vegas, Phoenix, New Orleans, Tampa, Orlando, Ontario (California) and Fort Lauderdale, a new Can market not previously served by American . Beyond Dallas, Ted will also offer service between Las Vegas and Los Angeles, Las Vegas and San Francisco and San Francisco and Phoenix.

The Can fleet will feature the popular Airbus A300 aircraft, launching with four planes based in Dallas and expanding to as many as 45 planes by the end of 2004 -- 19 of which will be based in Dallas. Each A300 will have 18 more toilets than American's mainline A300's-- due to a single class of service -- for a total of 25 toilets. "The Airbus A300 is the perfect aircraft for lavatory enhancements." said Victor Frederickson, VP Operations, "In the future you can expect even more washroom innovation while flying on the Can."

Can offers a compelling alternative to the current crop of low-fare carriers. Customers can earn AAdvantage frequent flier miles on all Can flights; seating is pre-assigned and can be pre-booked; and Can customers can expect seamless travel around the world on all American offerings, including American mainline, American Eagle and oneworld partners. Can planes will feature a More Headroom Throughout Head section with five extra inches of lavatory headroom to reward loyal customers. Finally, Can customers will be provided with complimentary luxury liners to make their bathroom experience comfortable, secure, and clean.

 

[FLB717]

Spinup,
Yeah, your point? UAL has lowered its costs, but is still bleeding to death. It lost lots of moeny for , I dont know nearly 3 years and now this. The cost structure of today sucks the life and money from thier company and that was today. Tomorrow with TED Im sure it will be even more dramatic. I hope not, but time will tell. The only thing different between me and a furloughed UAL guy is a thing called luck, I wasnt called for the interview.

 

[spinup]

Spinup,
The only thing different between me and a furloughed UAL guy is a thing called luck, I wasn’t called for the interview.

I'm not sure I'd be patting myself on the back, unless your retirement is just around the corner. It's a mighty large crystal ball many wield on this forum, predicting an unobstructed career at any given airline.

Hopefully, you will be able to look back on a good career.

 

[Boeingman]

I was hoping you would see by your predictions you have zero credibility. You can't even admit when you are wrong when I show you your own words! Did UAL get DIP financing? Yes or no! Did UAL make it through March? Yes or no! Did UAL make it through the war? Yes or no!

You bet the LCO is a small, low risk part of the restructuring. Less than 10% of the fleet on planes already being filled on routes already being flown.

UAL needs a major restructuring to survive? Duh. There is a little more going on than this LCO, in case you haven't been keeping up with current events.

What is the grand plan? I thought this might be obvious to even the most casual observer, but I'll give it to you in a nutshell. Keep the route structure in place while significantly reducing costs and maximizing revenue. UAL is catching up to others with regional feed and going after the revenue like I've not seen before. A lot of firsts in the advertising dept. UAL is gaining crediblilty in the restructuring process by leading the biggest half dozen carriers in on-time performance - 2 years running.

Pre-petition debt and lease obligations. Before you post anything else on the old "not paying their bills track," do some homework and find out what UAL has to account for every month in BK court. More homework - find out what just happened this week to the DIA pre-petition debt. I'll give you a hint, its the same thing that will happen to most of the other pre-petition debt.

Maybe if you concentrate really hard, you and Bethune can will some bad stuff to happen over here. I know UAL isn't out of the woods yet! Don't need to be told that.

Denial is a powerfull emotion. It is obvious you Brain Surgeons
are amok in it. But when all you can do is hope........

Like I said before, you can spin it any way you want, but your still bleeding to death. Albiet a bit more slowly.

 

[Boeingman]

Boingman,

Don't be bitter, just because CAL couldn't hold DEN doesn’t mean UAL cant.

Bitter? LOL. But I can point you to some ex FAL pilots that feel a bit different.

Come to think of it I do remember the TORQUE program though, but I was on a leave for all those festivities.

 

[spinup]

Boeingman,

I'm sure you'll be touting UAL's demise long after their clear of bankrupcy.

ob·sti·nate
adj.
Stubbornly adhering to an attitude, opinion, or course of action
Difficult to manage, control, or subdue; refractory.
Difficult to alleviate or cure: an obstinate headache.

Synonyms: obstinate, stubborn, headstrong, stiff-necked, bullheaded, pigheaded, mulish, dogged, pertinacious
These adjectives mean tenaciously unwilling to yield. Obstinate implies unreasonable rigidity: “Mr. Quincy labored hard with the governor to obtain his assent, but he was obstinate” (Benjamin Franklin). Stubborn pertains to innate, often perverse resoluteness or unyieldingness: “She was very stubborn when her mind was made up” (Samuel Butler). One who is headstrong is stubbornly, often recklessly willful: The headstrong teenager ignored school policy. Stiff-necked implies stubbornness combined with arrogance or aloofness: The stiff-necked customer irked the cashier. Bullheaded suggests foolish or irrational obstinacy, and pigheaded, stupid obstinacy: Don't be bullheaded; see a doctor. “It's a pity pious folks are so apt to be pigheaded” (Harriet Beecher Stowe). Mulish implies the obstinacy and intractability associated with a mule: “Obstinate is no word for it, for she is mulish” (Ouida).

 

[Boeingman]

Boeingman,

I'm sure you'll be touting UAL's demise long after their clear of bankrupcy.

ob·sti·nate
adj.
Stubbornly adhering to an attitude, opinion, or course of action
Difficult to manage, control, or subdue; refractory.
Difficult to alleviate or cure: an obstinate headache.

Seriously you're giving me to much credit , I could care less if you live or die. I didn't realize expressing an opinion was so taboo with you boys and girls. And they are all opinions not predictions.

Would you like a dictionary definition to point out the difference?

 

[spinup]

Seriously you're giving me to much credit , I could care less if you live or die. I didn't realize expressing an opinion was so taboo with you boys and girls. And they are all opinions not predictions.

Would you like a dictionary definition?

Obviously, you do care. And in some twisted sense appear to revel in UAL's struggles. What else could be inferred from your apparent tenacity to this subject?

 

[Boeingman]

Obviously, you do care. And in some twisted sense appear to revel in UAL's struggles. What else could be inferred from your apparent tenacity to this subject?

Ah, playing psychologist are we? Struggles? According to some of your other brethren things are just rosy over there. I guess they are. I'd be just thrilled that in BK protection my company was only losing 3 to 4 hundred million a quarter.

Revel? I see, so by me pointing out what is the obvious and also mutually agreed (by many analyst's and industry observers) upon serious nature of UAL it is reveling in your "struggles". Wait, there is no struggle going on there so that point is invalid.

Seriously, UAL could live or die I really don't care. I don't think I have once gloated over the condition of your airline. If you feel that pointing out the obvious is I can't help you there.

 

[spinup]

Ah, playing psychologist are we? Struggles? According to some of your other brethren things are just rosy over there. I guess they are. I'd be just thrilled that in BK protection my company was only losing 3 to 4 hundred million a quarter.

Revel? I see, so by me pointing out what is the obvious and also mutually agreed (by many analyst's and industry observers) upon serious nature of UAL it is reveling in your "struggles". Wait, there is no struggle going on there so that point is invalid.

Seriously, UAL could live or die I really don't care. I don't think I have once gloated over the condition of your airline. If you feel that pointing out the obvious is I can't help you there.

First, you choose only to align yourself only with the negativity surrounding UAL. It's your choice to "mutually agree" with the nattering nay bobs of negativity, damming positive analysis. However; time and time again it's led to your inaccurate predictions surrounding UAL. Here's an idea... Try a more rounded viewpoint, and maybe some of your ramblings will manifest themselves in reality, unlike your current track record.

Secondly, let’s call it what it is. Gloating. Go back and re-read your posts. If Gloating is not your intent, I suggest you take more care when you post. That being said, it would take more fortitude than you posses for you to be bothersome in that light.

Thirdly, most of my UAL "brethren" are fully aware of the negative issues surrounding BK. Yet we have the uncanny ability to see both sides of the issue. A trait you have yet to demonstrate.

 

[Boeingman]

First, you choose only to align yourself only with the negativity surrounding UAL. It's your choice to "mutually agree" with the nattering nay bobs of negativity, damming positive analysis. However; time and time again it's led to your inaccurate predictions surrounding UAL. Here's an idea... Try a more rounded viewpoint, and maybe some of your ramblings will manifest themselves in reality, unlike your current track record.

LOL. You're cracking me up. Yes, lets ignore the obvious and pretend your financials are all just smoke and mirrors. We can all hold hands and sing kumbaya. I didn't realize I need your permission on whom I agree with. I stand by my comments about the DIP and I didn't realize an opinion need a track record. You're grasping and it's so clear. I did notice that both you and the other stooge forgot to mention I "predicted" the ATSB would turn you down.

Secondly, let’s call it what it is. Gloating. Go back and re-read your posts. If Gloating is not your intent, I suggest you take more care when you post. That being said, it would take more fortitude than you posses for you to be bothersome in that light.

My my what thin skin you have. Gloating? This coming from a Brain Surgeon? Gloating? Any comments about the TORQUE program. If you want me to gloat maybe we can discuss your retirement plan now?

Thirdly, most of my UAL "brethren" are fully aware of the negative issues surrounding BK. Yet we have the uncanny ability to see both sides of the issue. A trait you have yet to demonstrate.

Because I don't agree with the other side of the issue? Duh, pretty simple really. Well, it should be anyway. Uncanny? LOL. When all you have is hope...........The UAL guys I know say their biggest fear is what they see everyday. People walking around with the attitude (like you have) that nothing will happen to UAL and things will just keep plodding along oblivious to the realities not only facing UAL but the industry.


Funny thing spinup (great name BTW putting a spin on a dismal situation) I've been through this before and it is comical seeing people ignore the patently obvious while history repeats itself.

Obviously I've hit a nerve. Do us both a favor and put me on ignore since the truth is bothering you and seems quite painfull. If it wasn't, some poster on a electronic board wouldn't bother you so much. Maybe you can take solace in the brilliant turn around plan just announced. Or maybe, really deep down it bothers you so much because you know I'm right.

P.S. Speaking of gloating any comments on TORQUE or the term "Brain Surgeon". I've noticed you have convienently not mentioned either of those. On second thought, I can see why not. It wouldn't fit your current mantra.

 

[spinup]

"LOL. You're cracking me up. Yes, lets ignore the obvious and pretend your financials are all just smoke and mirrors. We can all hold hands and sing kumbaya. I didn't realize I need your permission on whom I agree with. I stand by my comments about the DIP and I didn't realize an opinion need a track record. You're grasping and it's so clear. I did notice that both you and the other stooge forgot to mention I "predicted" the ATSB would turn you down."

Where in my posting did I mention any of the above, much like your predictions none of it occurred. What's so clear is your passing of non-factual information. Everything in the above statement is inane. Clearly you've lost your footing and have to resort to name calling, the first indication of a lost argument. Pity.

"My my what thin skin you have. Gloating? This coming from a Brain Surgeon? Gloating? Any comments about the TORQUE program. If you want me to gloat maybe we can discuss your retirement plan now?"

Thin skin? Read again the previous post ref. fortitude. You jumped on the offensive concerning gloating, just setting you straight. I stand by the above post, rightly so considering the retirement riff. More name calling? weak.

"Because I don't agree with the other side of the issue? Duh, pretty simple really. Well, it should be anyway. Uncanny? LOL. When all you have is hope...........The UAL guys I know say their biggest fear is what they see everyday. People walking around with the attitude (like you have) that nothing will happen to UAL and things will just keep plodding along oblivious to the realities not only facing UAL but the industry."

Huh? Above has no foundation in any beliefs I've expressed on this forum. Apparently your "friends" aren’t tapped in, I see the opposite, people trying hard to affect change. Yet another example of your imagination running away. No name calling though, so we have that going for us.

"Funny thing spinup (great name BTW putting a spin on a dismal situation) I've been through this before and it is comical seeing people ignore the patently obvious while history repeats itself."

Does that mean that CAL will take a third trip thru BK?

"Obviously I've hit a nerve. Do us both a favor and put me on ignore since the truth is bothering you and seems quite painfull. If it wasn't, some poster on a electronic board wouldn't bother you so much. Maybe you can take solace in the brilliant turn around plan just announced. Or maybe, really deep down it bothers you so much because you know I'm right."

Nope, haven't hit a nerve, thanks for checking. But apparently you’re about to blow a vein in your forehead given your school yard tactics.

"P.S. Speaking of gloating any comments on TORQUE or the term "Brain Surgeon". I've noticed you have convienently not mentioned either of those. On second thought, I can see why not. It wouldn't fit your current mantra."

Not sure I understand, Where did I post the words TORQUE or Brain surgeon. Not seeing it. Breath in, Breath out.....

 

[texanpilot]

Would ATA be "T and A Airlines?"

 

[Boeingman]

I see you choose to continue your diatribe. So be it.

Where in my posting did I mention any of the above, much like your predictions none of it occurred. What's so clear is your passing of non-factual information. Everything in the above statement is inane. Clearly you've lost your footing and have to resort to name calling, the first indication of a lost argument. Pity.

You still seem to have a basic problem with the concept of prediction and opinion. Run back to your dictionary and read up on the difference.

None of it occured? Oh so the ATSB did approve your loan? Name calling? A stooge is another term for someone who blindly follows a given mantra. Again your thin skin shows.

Thin skin? Read again the previous post ref. fortitude. You jumped on the offensive concerning gloating, just setting you straight. I stand by the above post, rightly so considering the retirement riff. More name calling? weak.

Gloating. Like your comment about CAL in Denver? The retirement comment was an example of if I was gloating. Of course, it fits nicely with your continued grasping at an argument.

Huh? Above has no foundation in any beliefs I've expressed on this forum. Apparently your "friends" aren’t tapped in, I see the opposite, people trying hard to affect change. Yet another example of your imagination running away. No name calling though, so we have that going for us.

Of ciurse not, but as transparent as you are it matches exactly with what my UAL buddies say is an epidemic over there.

Does that mean that CAL will take a third trip thru BK?

LOL, doubtfull but you never know. Frankly It wouldn't mean a thing to me financially.

Nope, haven't hit a nerve, thanks for checking. But apparently you’re about to blow a vein in your forehead given your school yard tactics.

Not at all, but you are very easy to get riled up. Again, must be something hitting a bit to close for comfort.

Not sure I understand, Where did I post the words TORQUE or Brain surgeon. Not seeing it. Breath in, Breath out.....

When someone says (in the previous post) "you have convienently not mentioned,.............." I didn't say you posted the aforesaid words. It was in a general reference to your accusation about my "gloating" etc. Again I ask is the terms unfamiliar to you and your UAL friends?
Don't go running off on some tangent again and start whimpering that I am accusing you of posting this. It is a question.