The time for discussion is on hold till the proposal either comes out or not to the memberships and vote. The reasoning behind this is that it won't be theory any more it will be a hard document and all the posturing to get to this place will rub someone the wrong way and be truly insensitive. Please let's wait till it comes out, then silently discuss, the reality of the discussion of apples to oranges to apples and back is behind us.