SWAPA wins grievance with company

[SWA Bubba]

They're going to be busy in that training center - They will have to train 800 AirTran transitions in the last 4 months of the year. Plus the upgrades, plus any new hires.

Sound plan.

I agree. It almost sounds like a plan that a pilot might come up with!

Bubba

 

[CptMurf]

Yes, such a great "culture" you guys HAD there.

Fixed it for you

 

[Mk3tm]

You can't grieve something that you already gave away due to cowardice.

No, ALPA guided that debacle right over the cliff and treated the pilots like mushrooms. The 850 AT capts would be keeping those seats thru it all, and at SWA rates, but no.

Nice going!

 

[FIREMAN]

No, ALPA guided that debacle right over the cliff and treated the pilots like mushrooms. The 850 AT capts would be keeping those seats thru it all, and at SWA rates, but no.

Nice going!

Do you really believe SLI-1 would have unfolded the way it was written? Very little of SLI-2 has gone as voted on. Both were written with loopholes designed to "capture" captain seats.

 

[IBNAV8R]

You can't grieve something that you already gave away due to cowardice.

Can you explain that to the USAPA types?

 

[Mk3tm]

Do you really believe SLI-1 would have unfolded the way it was written? Very little of SLI-2 has gone as voted on. Both were written with loopholes designed to "capture" captain seats.

Well, the capt seat thing was a major part of ALPA's argument in the DRC arb. ALPA explained to the arbitrator that the capt seats, along with the 10 yr ATL fence and the SWA pay, were the heart of the first SLI agreement. ALPA explained how the capt slots would have stayed with the pilots to which they were attached even if the 717 went away and the capt crossed to SWA to be a 73 capt. That's how you end up with the arbitrator ruling that "all these remedies you're asking for now you had in SLI1 but your MEC didn't let the pilots vote on it".

So, I'm just taking ALPA's word for it. The lawyer who represented us in the DRC was Katz, the merger counsel from the SLI negotiation, so he's got knowledge.

Hey, that's prob why the ATL capt rep in July/Aug '11 was running around saying "the MEC has to vote this down cuz if it goes out to the pilots for a vote, it'll pass". She was right.

 

[PCL_128]

All of the evidence was that the first agreement would have failed significantly. Email records, attendance at the meeting, phone calls records, etc. Get over it.

 

[FIREMAN]

Well, the capt seat thing was a major part of ALPA's argument in the DRC arb. ALPA explained to the arbitrator that the capt seats, along with the 10 yr ATL fence and the SWA pay, were the heart of the first SLI agreement. ALPA explained how the capt slots would have stayed with the pilots to which they were attached even if the 717 went away and the capt crossed to SWA to be a 73 capt. That's how you end up with the arbitrator ruling that "all these remedies you're asking for now you had in SLI1 but your MEC didn't let the pilots vote on it".

So, I'm just taking ALPA's word for it. The lawyer who represented us in the DRC was Katz, the merger counsel from the SLI negotiation, so he's got knowledge.

Hey, that's prob why the ATL capt rep in July/Aug '11 was running around saying "the MEC has to vote this down cuz if it goes out to the pilots for a vote, it'll pass". She was right.

You didn't answer the question.

 

[HowardBorden]

All of the evidence was that the first agreement would have failed significantly. Email records, attendance at the meeting, phone calls records, etc. Get over it.

Does that evidence come from the exact same group of people that you claim demanded AIP1 killed without a vote before they demanded they should have been allowed a vote on AIP1?

 

[SWA Bubba]

All of the evidence was that the first agreement would have failed significantly. Email records, attendance at the meeting, phone calls records, etc. Get over it.

Too bad. If you had let it go to a vote, and it had failed like you now say it would have, then you would have gotten the arbitration that you wanted all along. That's what GK's "hardball" was all about--from the start, he made it clear that he wanted all the pilots to vote.

Bubba