SWAPA TA Failure and downgrades

[Mach 80]

Nice. Just because you disagree with a post, you attempt to "out" him. The poster may have been someone who agrees with who you THINK made the post, and maybe he copied his thoughts here from another forum. Happens all the time. Not cool to "out" someone at all and it's sort of an unwritten rule not too.

 

[Mach 80]

Hey DB, since you out others, you mind being outed yourself?

 

[SevenThreeSeven]

I dont know what I was thinking after a long day at the office. Kind of a dont drink and post kinda thing although I went to bed sober but not too clear headed I guess.

I apologize and will try to delete. Its all old news and doesn't matter anyway.

Moderators please delete my earlier post if possible.

 

[shootr]

Just hit "edit" button and delete the text. Quickest way.

shootr

 

[The Prussian]

Just hit "edit" button and delete the text. Quickest way.

shootr

I thought the edit button disappears after an hour...doesn't it???

 

[bvt1151]

aww, how cute. The highest paid 737 drivers just turned themselves into a militant group.

Southwest is all grown up.

*sniff*

It seems just yesterday they were happy exchanging high stock options for low pay. Now they've grown into a typical angry legacy.

Be careful what you wish for. You might just get it.

 

[GuppyWN]

The frustration comes from Gary Kelly deciding to hide behind his own shadow instead of acting like THE drving force in the airline business that we have been in the past 15 years.

The contract would have been more palatable with steady growth. Instead we voted it down and some of us are getting testy. As far as contracts, I'd MUCH rather work with what we have vs. what we had offered.

Don't want to be a "legacy" pilot just yet. That's why I voted no.

Gup

 

[4 Fan Trashcan]

Whoa, fellas. Outsider looking in here....you guys are taking too many swings at each other. Step away from the forums and go hit some golf balls. Or, focus your angst on Tanker Clown. Happy 4th!

 

[firstthird]

I think that if you read the thread it is really only 2 or 3 guys that are out of step with the majority that voted the TA down. that is their right and if they had a pair they'd be over on one of the union specific websites/forums expounding their brilliance, instead they are here. also their right.

frankly, I think if we voted today it would be a larger no than it was. but we'll never know. the next TA will be different and we'll debate that when the time comes.

 

[SFR]

Are lances the gay pilots?

 

[scoreboardII]

pretty much, most are very happy.

 

[Tejas-Jet]

Shearshaft...relax. We haven't yet staffed a new NC. Eventually that will happen. Don't go through life scared. A whole new TA will show up and we will again have a chance to allow the democratic process run it's course.

And I really don't care how long it takes to get a new TA.

 

[MILPILOT17]

Are lances the gay pilots?

The answer is no, but it's hard to believe you look for gay guys on a pilot forum. Don't think any of our lances are going to hook-up with you! Maybe you should go to the FA forums?

 

[DH2WN]

Looks like some of the lance whining will be all for not. Some will be forced to be an FO now effectively ending the grandfathering.

 

[firstthird]

they still keep their star if they stay in base. so, they are in effect grandfathered. and I don't consider it whining to complain about taking a 40-50K a year pay cut while the rest of the pilots get raises. and no, I'm not a lance but one of the reasons I voted no was because of the arbitrary nature of the lance changes.

 

[Daddy]

The lances were thrown under the bus to benefit the senior captain crowd...like the rest of the contract did. Elections are this fall...I recommend not voting for a 4 digit guy this time (for anything)

 

[DH2WN]

they still keep their star if they stay in base. so, they are in effect grandfathered. and I don't consider it whining to complain about taking a 40-50K a year pay cut while the rest of the pilots get raises. and no, I'm not a lance but one of the reasons I voted no was because of the arbitrary nature of the lance changes.

Only if they go to the base they upgraded in. Doesn't help much if you upgraded in OAK and are based in BWI like many did. So now they take a pay cut anyway or move across the country. This was a shrewed move by the company. Kind of sticking it to those who think we are impervious to world economy. i.e. you want grandfathering well then have a cutback and call me in the morning. Next we'll have a furlough. Yeah for Paul Emmens for single handedly f-ing all of us with his age 65 crap.

 

[DH2WN]

The lances were thrown under the bus to benefit the senior captain crowd...like the rest of the contract did. Elections are this fall...I recommend not voting for a 4 digit guy this time (for anything)

Ditto. Never again will a 4 digit guy hold office. Everyone is pretty much fed up with the junior bashing that has been going on for far too long.

Sad this company is taking a turn like this but it was bound to happen when the greed that has come about by the senior guys because they lost their retirement to the market.

Face it, when they got hired in the 80s and early 90s it was because they couldn't get on with a legacy. Now we have to deal with them until they medical out. Hopefully sooner than later.

 

[Daddy]

DH2,
That is true but they can still lance. All they have to do is get rid of their line in BWI first...not that hard right now IMO

 

[DH2WN]

DH2,
That is true but they can still lance. All they have to do is get rid of their line in BWI first...not that hard right now IMO

I think you mean drop their line in OAK first.... Possible but they will still be commuting to OAK at least once a month. Nevertheless, this was a good move for the company and I think they will do it again for up to 100 more captains. We are stuffed to the gills with captains = to the amount who were supposed to retire. They aren't retiring, dying, or medical out quick enough so the company is forced to back flow. I don't blame them but it should be an eyeopener to everyone. The lances shouldn't be so Primadonna and those who cry for them. I didn't hear any lances crying when Emmens was pushing to use dues money to screw the FOs and stunt their ability to upgrade and lose money. Not a single one cared. Therefore screw'em. There should be no grandfathering.