SWAPA TA Failure and downgrades

[shearedshaft]

I just posted ten points. You haven't addressed a single one.

This is an interesting exercise. I suspect you're simply mad that Gary Kelly isn't growing the airline and that age 65 kicked guys in the balls.

The problem is, your frustration with other people and other things are costing me both money and risk my job security through not restricting codeshare.

 

[firstthird]

see you on a SWA pilot forum. I'm plenty vocal with people who are man enough to post under their name. are you?

 

[The Victors]

The major problem with the "no" voters is not dealing with the reality of swa. There will be no more growth and no fast upgrades for a long time, maybe forever. Swa will not have 600+ airplanes. This is GK's swa and he's scared to death. When they finally accept the reality of the future and realize that someone has to fly on the weekends and there are going to be 15 year FO's, then we can move forward.

 

[shearedshaft]

see you on a SWA pilot forum. I'm plenty vocal with people who are man enough to post under their name. are you?

Now I'm not "man enough" and you still haven't addressed a single point I made.

You got a hold of that bumper, now show that garbage truck a thing or two.

 

[shearedshaft]

The major problem with the "no" voters is not dealing with the reality of swa. There will be no more growth and no fast upgrades for a long time, maybe forever. Swa will not have 600+ airplanes. This is GK's swa and he's scared to death. When they finally accept the reality of the future and realize that someone has to fly on the weekends and there are going to be 15 year FO's, then we can move forward.

Reality sucks for some of these guys, and I agree it doesn't have much to do with the contract.

Hating your life isn't a reason to give up raises, retro and codeshare protection, plus the chance to finally get to use ELITT when you fly weekdays.

I mean, they sure showed Gary: "You better do what I say, or I'll put $400 million back in the company checking account!"

 

[The Victors]

Now I'm not "man enough" and you still haven't addressed a single point I made.

You got a hold of that bumper, now show that garbage truck a thing or two.

I agree with your points, and so will everyone else, in about 2 years. Saying "I told you so" just wont help with the pain of losing that retro check.

 

[shearedshaft]

By the way, you're kind of freaking me out. I figured the no voters had some sort of grand plan to make this all work out for the better, now I feel like all they've done is throw a bottle through a plate glass window to show discontent with the new reality.

What would it take for you to vote yes to something? I suspect the answer is "nothing will ever be good enough for me to vote yes, since age 65 screwed me, the negotiating commission screwed me, the union guys screwed me and scheduling probably screwed me too."

Sucks to go through life not realizing when you are holding something valuable in your hand, like your job and a contract that makes the job even that much nicer.

 

[jball2]

Seriously, it got voted down and you are only manifesting anger here. Go to work, do your job and vote again next time. Venting about what has happened will not change anything. You and I are about the same seniority (2002) so I understand your vote but really, give it a rest already.

 

[firstthird]

Voting down a TA is not breaking a window. We just preferred our current contract to the new TA, after 15 years. Says something about the TA doesn't it. Buying a new house is a more apt metaphor. A majority of us prefer the current 15 year old house to the 'new' one we were getting. All windows still intact, both houses. The new house needs some modifications before we move in and we don't want to be living in it was they turn off the plumbing or rip out the kitchen. besides, I want to see the new master bath and the granite countertops before I pay for it. (veto power on the open time changes)

The next step is obvious, so much so that most people don't need it pointed out. We go back into negotiations and we fix it. Figure out what the main sticking points were and make it better. It ain't personal. It is business. then again, I'm not the guy whining about the 1000 a month that "you guys" cost me. We, as a group, turned this TA down. We, as a group, will make it better.

 

[The Prussian]

"nothing will ever be good enough for me to vote yes, since age 65 screwed me, the negotiating commission screwed me, the union guys screwed me and scheduling probably screwed me too."

...and now, we just screwed ourselves!!?!

Couldn't agree more, and I suspect there are more than just a few captains that liked the contract, but just didn't want to be accused of throwing their brothers under the bus, and thusly voted it down. But...that's all moot, now that captains are being downsized by 23, with more downgrades coming in the future. Interesting to see where the buyer's remorse now lies...