firstthird
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me too. the no vote might have been bigger.I wish he would have spoken up a little earlier.
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me too. the no vote might have been bigger.I wish he would have spoken up a little earlier.
...Or maybe we'll be told that the economic conditions are completely different now then they were when the raises were negotiated (oh wait, Gary has already said that, hasn't he? Not a chance his negotiating team will say it too, now is there?) and if we want that, we have to give up this.
Well it sounds like you are falling for every single management trick in the book and was just wondering if this was your first airline or not. So is this your first airline?
Well, there you go. There's the answer to your concerns about the downgrades. It's not because of the TA rejection, but due to the economic conditions. Calm down Tanker.
Why are you worried about domestic code share? If SWA management was going to enter into domestic code share arrangements, they would have done it long ago. It's important to have those protections in whatever contract you get, but your priority right now should be locking them out of international code share before it gets too big. Your flying is being stolen from you and you're being distracted by the red herring of domestic code share.
Why are you worried about domestic code share? If SWA management was going to enter into domestic code share arrangements, they would have done it long ago. It's important to have those protections in whatever contract you get, but your priority right now should be locking them out of international code share before it gets too big. Your flying is being stolen from you and you're being distracted by the red herring of domestic code share.
Because we're an all-domestic airline.
In the near-term, I'm not worried about Canada and Mexico.
But the proposed TA had SWAPA veto power for all other international codeshare. So proposed TA: no domestic, veto on international that doesn't include near international.
So again, how is the TA worse than status quo?
You miss the whole WestJet and Volaris thing? That's the future of SWA growth.
Sounds awfully familiar.
Legacy pilot circa early '90s: "In the near term, I'm not worried about a few little 50-seat RJs flying around. Leave it to the scooter trash."
That worked out well, didn't it? Your management has shown a propensity for wanting to outsource your international growth. You'd better stop it before it's too late.
Near international is probably the only growth you can expect during the term of this agreement.
Management is stuck dealing with uncertainty right now. They know that if they expand code-share too much right now, then they'll be dealing with a nightmare self-help scenario when the pilot group revolts to stop it before it's too late. On the other hand, if they can bribe you to accept a TA with crappy international scope but no domestic code share (something they don't care about anyway), then they'll have several years under the new agreement to build up the international code share so it's too late for you to stop it by the time the next contract negotiations come around.
You're playing checkers while management is playing chess. Think!