SWAPA has a transition agreement

[boeing717]

You mean for example the 2 737s we just lost to them?

We did not lose them. Anything they take from us now will be ours again when they combine the airline. How can you say we lost something when we will get them back. They can take 50 new aircraft that were for us but guess who will be flying them hopefully real soon? Yes, both groups.

 

[RLAblows]

I don't think it's been AT pilots asking what do I get NOW out of the deal. The recurring theme has been, "what are the SWA pilots getting out of the deal?" Re-read all of the threads. I think you'll find AT pilots ahve been pretty neutral in the entire process.

 

[dicko]

From Air Tran's 2Q10 10Q:


As of June 30, 2010, our aircraft purchase commitments for the remainder of 2010 and for the next five years and thereafter, in aggregate, are (in millions): 2010—$20; 2011—$140; 2012—$270; 2013—$280; 2014—$370; 2015—$510; and thereafter—$580. These amounts include payment commitments, including payment of pre-delivery deposits, for aircraft on firm order. Aircraft purchase commitments include the forecasted impact of contractual price escalations. Our intention is to finance the aircraft on order through either debt financing, lease financing, or a mix thereof. We have financing commitments from a lender to finance a majority of the acquisition price of two B737 aircraft scheduled for delivery to us in 2011 or 2012. We have not yet arranged for aircraft financing for any of the other aircraft deliveries.

As the deliveries do come SWA, I would also keep a open mind on how they are getting here. AT would have never taking any of them. Lack of capital. Remember SWA has 250 orders and options with boeing too. Yes it is nice we can take all future deliveries form AT, but you have to realize SWA's capital is the key to any of this going forward. Again AT pilots need to ask the shareholders and Bob why your are being sold. I think it is a pretty weak assumption that the pilots (both sides) have a hand at what they bring in relationship to aircraft.

As far as getting something from the deal? I think we all are. I think you are better off at SWA than you would be at AT in the long run. Your company is hurting. If you where not then this deal would have never gone down. You guy's have money but not enough to survive the long haul.

AT guy's have to realize after the corporate closing we will own you. I hope that day the AT people play as a success sharing team and not burn down the house. You operation is going to put a negative financial impact on our operations initially. You will be part of SWA's long term success as much as the current SWA pilots. Your career expectations will be better off also. Don't think of ME or what I should get now, think 10 years from now.

Don't be surprise if you see another asset acquisition that SWA will be involved with. It's all good.

As far as the new hires, it is do to more vacations, because the group is becoming senior.

Did you attend the same college as 'flyinvixen' ?

 

[texman]

Dicko,

Why do you ask?

 

[boeing717]

I don't think it's been AT pilots asking what do I get NOW out of the deal. The recurring theme has been, "what are the SWA pilots getting out of the deal?" Re-read all of the threads. I think you'll find AT pilots ahve been pretty neutral in the entire process.

You said that they were getting 2 aircraft from us. Well, you cannot say that because we will get them back. Tell me something that they are getting that we are not. It seems the only thing we are getting that they are not is money. I hear some people say that they are not paying it out of their pocket so it should not be considered.That is true but it is not coming out of our pocket either. In fact it will be going into our pocket.

Everything we are bringing to the table and everything they are bringing to the table will be shared between all of us. The money is the only thing we get that they do not get.

 

[On Your Six]

I don't think it's been AT pilots asking what do I get NOW out of the deal. The recurring theme has been, "what are the SWA pilots getting out of the deal?" Re-read all of the threads. I think you'll find AT pilots ahve been pretty neutral in the entire process.

You have to ask those SWA guys what they are losing do to this other than perceived upgrades? Answer: NOTHING. Airtran pilots are not taking a dime from them. But, they don't want to tell you that.


OYS

 

[boeing717]

You have to ask those SWA guys what they are losing do to this other than perceived upgrades? Answer: NOTHING. Airtran pilots are not taking a dime from them. But, they don't want to tell you that.


OYS

You are correct we are not taking a dime from them. However, we are getting a lot of dimes that they are not getting. A whole lot of dimes. I am glad they have direct deposit.

 

[carl p]

Hmmm, for some reason me thinks your not an AT pilot...

 

[On Your Six]

You are correct we are not taking a dime from them. However, we are getting a lot of dimes that they are not getting. A whole lot of dimes. I am glad they have direct deposit.

Doesn't matter. Southwest will be paying you, not SWAPA. Do you think they would rather you be on a B scale? They might, but what kind of unity or "culture" would that create? A bad one. GK and investment bankers thought you would be a good fit with SWA, and they will have to pay up to make everything work, and create a stronger airline overall. You will be paid by SWA, NOT SWAPA. And, they may get a small raise out of this too, which they might not have gotten without the merger. Tell them YOU'RE WELCOME.


OYS

 

[boeing717]

Hmmm, for some reason me thinks your not an AT pilot...

I guess anybody that makes sense cannot be an AT pilot. All I said was the facts. It might not be what you want to hear but you are free to explain where I am wrong. There are pilots at AT that can make sense. However, it takes a strong person to stand up to the loud mouths. Maybe you are a follower and not a leader. That is ok though. We need followers just like we need leaders.

 

[SWA/FO]

On your six - meth head? Are u on drugs?

 

[carl p]

I guess anybody that makes sense cannot be an AT pilot. All I said was the facts. It might not be what you want to hear but you are free to explain where I am wrong. There are pilots at AT that can make sense. However, it takes a strong person to stand up to the loud mouths. Maybe you are a follower and not a leader. That is ok though. We need followers just like we need leaders.

My union has asked it's pilots not to discuss merger issues on anonymous message boards, and I'll respect that. If you wish to speak to the AT pilots as you claim, do it on our message board...

Respectfully,

C

 

[boeing717]

Doesn't matter. Southwest will be paying you, not SWAPA. Do you think they would rather you be on a B scale? They might, but what kind of unity or "culture" would that create? A bad one. GK and investment bankers thought you would be a good fit with SWA, and they will have to pay up to make everything work, and create a stronger airline overall. You will be paid by SWA, NOT SWAPA. And, they may get a small raise out of this too, which they might not have gotten without the merger. Tell them YOU'RE WELCOME.


OYS

If they get a small raise out of this then I guess we will get the same raise. Great. We not only get the big raise by taking their contract but then they will get another raise. This is gettting better as we speak. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. And this is from an outsider. Thanks again.

 

[StopNTSing]

You have to ask those SWA guys what they are losing do to this other than perceived upgrades? Answer: NOTHING.

Real answer: Seniority....potentially a lot of it. Why is this so hard for some to understand?

P.S. Upgrades are not nothing, either...unless of course you have no skin in this game like the entire Delta peanut gallery.

 

[FIREMAN]

You mean for example the 2 737s we just lost to them?

AAI has not lost any aircraft to SWA. There was a slot swap so that we would not take two aircraft in AAI config and livery just to change it to SWA in a year or less. IF the deal falls through AAI would get those aircraft later in the year.

 

[GuppyWN]

Doesn't matter. Southwest will be paying you, not SWAPA.

Via the contract that SWAPA negotiated for its' membership - and I hope sooner rather than later for my future Airtran family.

Relax fellas. Let the unions do their jobs and let us worry about finding a cool dive bar on the overnight.

Gup

 

[RIDETHELIGHTING]

I like dive bars, I'm in!!

 

[FIREMAN]

JAX The 747 Lounge

IND Wisky River

LGA Joeys

 

[Hose A. Jiminez]

Doesn't matter. Southwest will be paying you, not SWAPA. Do you think they would rather you be on a B scale? They might, but what kind of unity or "culture" would that create? A bad one. GK and investment bankers thought you would be a good fit with SWA, and they will have to pay up to make everything work, and create a stronger airline overall. You will be paid by SWA, NOT SWAPA. And, they may get a small raise out of this too, which they might not have gotten without the merger. Tell them YOU'RE WELCOME.


OYS

SWAPA negotiated the contract that SWA will be paying you under.

SWA pilots paid for the negotiations for said contract.

 

[tankerhead]

Did you attend the same college as 'flyinvixen' ?

Agread...Way to paynful too reed. I gues hee spent mor thyme on his SWA app sence hee got teh Job.

 

[On Your Six]

Real answer: Seniority....potentially a lot of it. Why is this so hard for some to understand?

P.S. Upgrades are not nothing, either...unless of course you have no skin in this game like the entire Delta peanut gallery.

Hi, this is a merger. There won't be a staple. So, add 1+1, and someone will lose some seniority. Is this really hard to understand? Do you personally think there should be a full staple? If not, you will have to accept some loss of seniority. Also, if it gets to the arbitration phase, most likely it won't be a staple, and they will look at the facts and give a fair verdict. That is what scares a lot of people here, a fair verdict.


OYS

 

[On Your Six]

SWAPA negotiated the contract that SWA will be paying you under.

SWA pilots paid for the negotiations for said contract.

Great, the union negotiated. That is their job. Not one extra dime will come out of the SWA pilots' pockets. And let's get real here, the UAL guys started this ball rolling with high pay first, then went to Delta, and then SWA piggybacked. How do I know? I was there, at United, before I was furloughed there after 9-11. So, UAL and DL pilots paid for it prior to SWAPA.


OYS

 

[GuppyWN]

And let's get real here, the UAL guys started this ball rolling with high pay first, then went to Delta, and then SWA piggybacked. How do I know? I was there, at United, before I was furloughed there after 9-11. So, UAL and DL pilots paid for it prior to SWAPA.


OYS

I smell a thread hijack! I think it's awesome that our Tranny bro's will get our contract.

Even more so that you won't.

Gup

 

[jonjuan]

JAX The 747 Lounge

IND Wisky River

LGA Joeys

SAN Blue Oyster. Guppy, they just love guys under 5' 7" in leather jackets. You'll fit right in.

 

[On Your Six]

Via the contract that SWAPA negotiated for its' membership - and I hope sooner rather than later for my future Airtran family.

Relax fellas. Let the unions do their jobs and let us worry about finding a cool dive bar on the overnight.

Gup

Via the UAL and then DL contracts. It is called piggybacking. I don't think that took too much effort from SWAPA negotiators.

At the same time, I do hope you raise the bar in your current negotiations, because my new employer's pilot union would like to piggyback off you guys this time, returning the initial favor. Keep it going up guys, just don't forget your AT brothers are right next to you, so don't box them out.


OYS

 

[GuppyWN]

SAN Blue Oyster. Guppy, they just love guys under 5' 7" in leather jackets. You'll fit right in.

Yeah but I fit right in a the "Top Gun" bar in SAN. I get to shoot my watch and tell stories at the same time!

Gup

 

[On Your Six]

I smell a thread hijack! I think it's awesome that our Tranny bro's will get our contract.

Even more so that you won't.

Gup

Oh, I think I will eventually, and for a better airline. No thread creep, just something called a second chance for me. We're next, and if I were you I would prepare yourself for an SLI letdown followed by stagnation due to lack of scheduled retirements. BTW, does GK sound worried to you in those USAToday articles?


OYS

 

[GuppyWN]

Oh, I think I will eventually, and for a better airline. No thread creep, just something called a second chance for me. We're next, and if I were you I would prepare yourself for an SLI letdown followed by stagnation due to lack of scheduled retirements. BTW, does GK sound worried to you in those USAToday articles?


OYS

No. Gary sounds like Gary. If you knew him, which you don't, you'd understand exactly what he is saying. He's cementing the deal with the DOJ.

Hey Tranny bro's? Did you hear that? OYS says "our" airline sucks. You gonna let him get away with that?

I've had a second chance too. It started the moment I realized I couldn't control the SLI and that Airtran pilots were just a bunch of guys who happened to be in the right spot at the right time. In the end WN will live long and prosper but in the short term I have no doubt someone from BOTH airlines will be disappointed with the SLI. I choose for that to not be me.

Gup

 

[On Your Six]

No. Gary sounds like Gary. If you knew him, which you don't, you'd understand exactly what he is saying. He's cementing the deal with the DOJ.

Hey Tranny bro's? Did you hear that? OYS says "our" airline sucks. You gonna let him get away with that?

I've had a second chance too. It started the moment I realized I couldn't control the SLI and that Airtran pilots were just a bunch of guys who happened to be in the right spot at the right time. In the end WN will live long and prosper but in the short term I have no doubt someone from BOTH airlines will be disappointed with the SLI. I choose for that to not be me.

Gup

GUP now works for FOX NEWS....... Where again did I say your airline sux? Never did. I said my new airline is better, and that is my opinion. You can have your's too, but I love how you NOW try to rally support from Airtran guys, after slamming them for so long until you were told to keep quiet by your own union, after they saw your and other ridiculous posts. You are really losing it, mentally and seniority wise upcoming. I do think it is great that you have had a change of heart when if comes to slamming your future bros. Maybe there is hope for you, after you take your meds.


OYS

 

[canyonblue]

Via the UAL and then DL contracts. It is called piggybacking. I don't think that took too much effort from SWAPA negotiators.

At the same time, I do hope you raise the bar in your current negotiations, because my new employer's pilot union would like to piggyback off you guys this time, returning the initial favor.

Piggyback my a$$, did UAL or DAL keep those rates? It only works if you can piggyback off someone who could hold the payscale, UAL and DAL didn't do sh#t as far as that goes. You must be a friggin kernel with that logic.uke: