SWAPA Comments about 717

[texman]

Yes, that's exactly what I said... we didn't "know" and were actually being told by Southwest management that there were no plans to get rid of them earlier than previously-planned.

But the writing (for those of us with a little forward thinking) was on the wall. I took a lot of heat from a couple reps saying I was seeing "black helicopter" conspiracies and we shouldn't waste our time... that's how convinced we were of what Southwest had told us about the 717's being here at least through the integration.

Hell, one of the MC members even made a $100 bet with me just 3 weeks ago that the majority of the 717's would make the transition... he hasn't emailed me back about paying up yet.

I pushed anyway, and they started planning.

If that's what Chase is saying, that's fine, but it was worded poorly when combined with the rest of the letter and didn't come across that way. At least not on the AirTran side... Perception filters our reality I guess.

GK said the 717 was not fuel efficient for todays price. This is the big picture, plain and simple. This is why the are going faster. We can biatch all we want but this is about job security/45,000 employees keeping their job, not the left seat and what the pilots want.

DOES ANYBODY NOT AGREE?

 

[SWA Bubba]

You guys invested your time, money and ambition to get on with SWA. In return you got 1700 pilots who did none of that integrated in with you. Would I be pissed if I were you? Hell yeah! As far as being on the street goes. GK testified before congress (with BF) that wouldn't happen. It was part of the
getting DOJ approval to begin with. I appreciate your post. The more you hear our story and the more we hear yours, the quicker we will get this behind us.

Hey Humvee...

Thanks for the thoughts. There's lots of Southwest guys who can't or won't see this from Airtran's perspective. There's also lots of Airtran guys who can't or won't see this from Southwest's perspective. Thanks for acknowledging that Southwest guys (especially junior ones) see things a little differently than you. There's parts of this that suck for all of us, and parts of it that are good for all of us. As you say, the quicker we get this behind us, the better.

Bubba

 

[scoreboardII]

Agreed.

But the more troubling reality is whats happened on this forum, we have just torn SWA, SWAPA and the pilots into three entities, which has never been done before. This fiasco from SWA will irreparably harm employee worker relations from here on out, the trust has died.

 

[texman]

Agreed.

But the more troubling reality is whats happened on this forum, we have just torn SWA, SWAPA and the pilots into three entities, which has never been done before. This fiasco from SWA will irreparably harm employee worker relations from here on out, the trust has died.

So let's all join together to make this a threesome.

 

[Britpilot]

I could go on and on about how you guys are lucky to not be on the street.

Really? GFY

 

[Dan Roman]

, in this case, your invective is not welcome or helpful for those of us dealing with the fallout of decisions that are out of our hands.

That's all I'm sayin'.

Bubba

Hate to break the news to you, but this is a open forum for ALL pilot's from all airlines. That's what a public forum is all about. I find different perspectives from different airlines entertaining and sometime educational.
If you want to keep this an internal matter use an internal forum.
You can't really think you should be able to get on here and not be exposed to different points of views or that others are not entitled to them do you?

 

[Dan Roman]

Don't know what to say about this crap...

Kermits got that "Warrior Spirit"! thing going for him!

 

[redflyer65]

Hate to break the news to you, but this is a open forum for ALL pilot's from all airlines. That's what a public forum is all about. I find different perspectives from different airlines entertaining and sometime educational.
If you want to keep this an internal matter use an internal forum.
You can't really think you should be able to get on here and not be exposed to different points of views or that others are not entitled to them do you?

Wow. This is just about word for word how the General talks. Nice.

Your in good company Dan!

 

[Kharma Police]

Southwest and SWAPA have taken a benign a cyst and turned it into a stage 4 tumor. Assuming you survive the chemo, your airline won't be the same. I'm truly sorry.

 

[Kermit_D_Frog]

Really? GFY

I'm not saying I want you there. It is the reality. We were told the company would run you separately (with lower wages of course) for as long as they could get away with it; SWAPA contract be damned. Then whatever happened to you, you would not have been part of the SWAPA master seniority list. The threat to us was that for the foreseeable future, you would have gotten the growth until the ensuing court battle stopped it.

I don't know what would have been tried, gotten away with, etc. all I know is our side was threatened as much as yours. I'm not trying to be inflammatory, but you act like no one is getting hurt on our side. Well, I got news for ya... It's hurting me. And will continue to do so. Just like I know you feel like you're getting hosed as well. A lot of you will find that when you're on this side of the fence, life will be much better for you. That's unless we all tear this place apart. Not a good option IMO.

By the way, I might as well GFM, everyone else is. Stay classy.