SWA to speed up Airtran integration.....article

[maxblast72]

That's funny!

Nothing like finding common ground laughing at the obnoxious fat kid.

Actually, another MC member nicknamed him the Round Mound of Sound.

Actually, I have to give him credit for eating better and exercising to improve his health. I look forward to many years of good debate with him

 

[PCL_128]

I know winning a DFR lawsuit can be an uphill battle, but isn't winning a defamation lawsuit even tougher if the person getting sued didn't say anything unfactual?

Correct! But according to every other witness (and there were many), you're lying.

 

[humveedriver]

You do realize that when SWA bought Morris, SWA only had about 150 aircraft . With the AT purchase SWA had about 550.


Also not sure why all the mud slinging is going on. It only makes Jim and PCL happy. Neither side is going to convince the other of there views .

See. I didn't realize you guys grew that much since 1994. That's pretty remarkable. And my understanding of SWA pilot SLI expectations isn't based on this message board. It's based on conversations with friends and former colleages at SWA and conversations with SWA pilots on the jumpseat. I was being matter of fact, not slinging mud. I would rather know that you really didn't want a pilot integration outside of a staple and now you are movin on with what you got. Than be told; hey welcome, glad to have you you will love it here, when its not a genuine reflection of folks really feel. I understand why SWA pilots are/were upset with the purchase. GK assumed a lot of risk to the culture SWA built when they made the decision to be an airline with 6,000 employees. I also think there is a difference between mudslinging and an open dialogue.

 

[maxblast72]

Correct! But according to every other witness (and there were many), you're lying.

Wrong. But I can't wait to see their statements under oath if it gets that far. I would be shocked if JM lies about the happenings between 8pm and midnight on July 13th.

You would have been there to witness the display of disrespectfullness (to the MC and the hard work we put into our presentation to the MEC) but your buddies AC and CJ fired your butt six weeks prior.

 

[redflyer65]

Time to pull the receipts and video!

Good post Humvee.

 

[canyonblue]

Look up the Captain or FO and ask them. I've given you more than enough information to find out who they were.

I did, and you are correct on who they were. The point that I was making wasn't whether or not you were on the flight, it was more how a conversation may have been misinterpreted. There is no letter asking for pay cuts or concessions, they were either being dramatic about the state of SWA, or they are clueless on what is going on around here.

 

[texman]

I did, and you are correct on who they were. The point that I was making wasn't whether or not you were on the flight, it was more how a conversation may have been misinterpreted. There is no letter asking for pay cuts or concessions, they were either being dramatic about the state of SWA, or they are clueless on what is going on around here.

True statement. People also have to remember that SWAPA is holding SWA to a High Standard. We have given SWA all the necessary tools to succeed post acquisition/merger. I think the letter is just a negation tactic. Folks we are in contract negations. I wouldn't get to spooled up about this letter. GK has stated cost's are under control.

 

[SWAdude]

All three said they got the same letter - it was either from management or your union, I not sure which it was - about three days before. They also all agreed that the "LUV" between SWAPA and management was gone. Look up the Captain or FO and ask them. I've given you more than enough information to find out who they were.

But I understand your "Sure. Yea. Right". I'm not a SWA pilot so I should I not dare or consider myself worthy enough to make any comments about your airline.

I know the letter. Always did. It is a letter that sent out to EVERY EMPLOYEE. But the letter of course didn't say anything about concessions. I was not there and a really silly suggestion to call up people I have likely never seen a day in my life to see what they were talking about because some screw ball on FI said you guys were talking about something. Please.

You can make comments about any airline you want. But go back and read your other post. You concluded by the phantom content of this letter and a conversation you were only half interested in that and I quote you "Maybe it's not going to be such a big pay raise for the AT guys...."

So thats the level of crap you choose to share. Next time when you have some truthful facts, let us know. If you are capable.

 

[slaquer5]

Humv

Sorry my post was not more clear


The mud slinging comment was in way direct at you

I actually like reading what you have to say

 

[funnyman12]

PCL....i have talked to both MC and MEC reps that collaborate Maxblast's statements. They were all present and you were not. BTW, it is no secret that you wrote AC's email to the pilot group. Is that a conflict of interests with you being ALPA EVP?

 

[Jim]

I did, and you are correct on who they were. The point that I was making wasn't whether or not you were on the flight, it was more how a conversation may have been misinterpreted. There is no letter asking for pay cuts or concessions, they were either being dramatic about the state of SWA, or they are clueless on what is going on around here.

No misinterpretation. One basically said "they are going to come after our pay and ask for cuts, the writing is on the wall" and the other two agreed. I then said "I thought you guys had a good relationship with your management to whicxh the answer was "we did, but not any more".

Maybe they are clueless but they all three agreed with each other.

 

[Jim]

I know the letter. Always did. It is a letter that sent out to EVERY EMPLOYEE. But the letter of course didn't say anything about concessions. I was not there and a really silly suggestion to call up people I have likely never seen a day in my life to see what they were talking about because some screw ball on FI said you guys were talking about something. Please.

You can make comments about any airline you want. But go back and read your other post. You concluded by the phantom content of this letter and a conversation you were only half interested in that and I quote you "Maybe it's not going to be such a big pay raise for the AT guys...."

So thats the level of crap you choose to share. Next time when you have some truthful facts, let us know. If you are capable.

I was totally engaged in the conversation and all three SWA pilots were in agreement the letter was a precursor of management asking for pay cuts and concessions. They were not happy with what they perceived as the state of your airline or management.

You and many other SWA guys on this board always defend the treatment of the AT pilots by saying how much more money they are going to make. My statement about AT pilot pay raises was in reference to that. I think the AT guys had a big $hit sandwich shoved down their mouths by your management when they didn't honor the agreement they signed for the SLI process. I don't blame SWAPA for the mess because their job was to get as much for their members as possible. Your management showed a bias and I think that will cause hard feelings for years to come with many of the AT guys. When you take away some of the expected pay raise, it makes the $hit sandwich that much harder to swallow.

I'll admit SWA pays top dollar and the vast majority of the pilots are extremely happy working there. But it's not always about the money and you guys just don't get the many AT pilots seem to put their QOL over money. It takes a certain mind set (Warrior Spirit?) to be a SWA pilot and many of us either don't have it or don't want it. THe AT pilots had this thrust upon them with no choice. (Leaving for another airline because they don't like the SWA culture is not really a valid choice and you know it.)

You can not tolerate anyone that does not think SWA is the only place they would want to work. I once made a post that I turned down a SWA interview after getting recalled to Hawaiian from furlough because Hawaiian was financially secure, because I enjoyed working here and because it was always my first choice of airline. The same group of SWA pilots (and I am pretty sure you were one leading the charge) immediately claimed I was lying because I said I was surprised they called as I had stopped updating my online app a good while before. You guys couldn't believe someone would possibly turn down an opportunity to fly for SWA. Posting that I did was blasphemy!

Things aren't all roses at SWA and you don't have to be a SWA pilot to see or understand this. The AT pilots have very valid gripes. They all know it is done deal and bitching about them doesn't change the facts, but your constant denial of the validity of their gripes with the arguement that more money makes everything better doesn't change anything for them either.

You need to take your blinders off and see the big picture. It might surprise you.

 

[maxblast72]

You need to take your blinders off and see the big picture. It might surprise you.

The big picture is SWA made a $350 million net profit in 2011, will announce next week a $400 million net profit for 2012, and Wall Street is predicting a $700 million net profit for 2013. Why would SWAPA agree to concessions when the company is not financially stressed at all? I don't consider preventing cartels from forming and game playing as concessions.

 

[SWAdude]

I was totally engaged in the conversation and all three SWA pilots were in agreement the letter was a precursor of management asking for pay cuts and concessions. They were not happy with what they perceived as the state of your airline or management.

You and many other SWA guys on this board always defend the treatment of the AT pilots by saying how much more money they are going to make. My statement about AT pilot pay raises was in reference to that. I think the AT guys had a big $hit sandwich shoved down their mouths by your management when they didn't honor the agreement they signed for the SLI process. I don't blame SWAPA for the mess because their job was to get as much for their members as possible. Your management showed a bias and I think that will cause hard feelings for years to come with many of the AT guys. When you take away some of the expected pay raise, it makes the $hit sandwich that much harder to swallow.

I'll admit SWA pays top dollar and the vast majority of the pilots are extremely happy working there. But it's not always about the money and you guys just don't get the many AT pilots seem to put their QOL over money. It takes a certain mind set (Warrior Spirit?) to be a SWA pilot and many of us either don't have it or don't want it. THe AT pilots had this thrust upon them with no choice. (Leaving for another airline because they don't like the SWA culture is not really a valid choice and you know it.)

You can not tolerate anyone that does not think SWA is the only place they would want to work. I once made a post that I turned down a SWA interview after getting recalled to Hawaiian from furlough because Hawaiian was financially secure, because I enjoyed working here and because it was always my first choice of airline. The same group of SWA pilots (and I am pretty sure you were one leading the charge) immediately claimed I was lying because I said I was surprised they called as I had stopped updating my online app a good while before. You guys couldn't believe someone would possibly turn down an opportunity to fly for SWA. Posting that I did was blasphemy!

Things aren't all roses at SWA and you don't have to be a SWA pilot to see or understand this. The AT pilots have very valid gripes. They all know it is done deal and bitching about them doesn't change the facts, but your constant denial of the validity of their gripes with the arguement that more money makes everything better doesn't change anything for them either.

You need to take your blinders off and see the big picture. It might surprise you.

This post sucked much time out of your life for something you have no dog in this fight. Why the need to prove yourself so much?

I have never said or thought that SWA was the best airline for everyone. So your "and I am pretty sure you were one leading the charge" couldn't be further from the truth. I have no doubt that a conversation took place and, yes, maybe you were in a trio of individuals that love to be in a negative place in life. We have those. You have those. All airlines have these doom and gloom people. But for you to pass that on as 100% fact, is just being a blinded jerk. I would not feel surprised that you absolutely LOVED hearing of a potential that we were going to potentially have pay cuts and concessions. Yet that very possibility could affect your future as well. Your selfishness is just blinded by these industry facts. If we concede, then everyone elses contracts became that much weaker.

Your intelligence couldn't throw up a red flag and ask these jack wagons if this letter actually said that the pilots can expect pay cuts and concessions? Didn't that sound odd to you? Well obviously the answer is no.

 

[Dash Power]

I think the AT guys had a big $hit sandwich shoved down their mouths by your management when they didn't honor the agreement they signed for the SLI process.

Oh please. Do tell.

How did our management not honor the process agreement?