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Are you guys done yet? You are all correct in your feelings!! Now that your feelings are substantiated can we move on. Ty, I'm surprised you got caught up in this debate. T&A guys, T&A. Screw money, you will always get screwed out of it. Move on without the org. buy a gun, hire a GFE, pet your boat, kiss a FATtie, kiss a SWaPie. Make love to a delta flight attendant and be happy you never have to do it again.
 
27 driver said:
So what I said is provoking them but you aren't. Most of us didn't want this. But like you guys like to say.....83% of you guys voted for it.
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No. 83% voted for what we thought was best under the circumstances. The vote would have been a much higher percentage if it was about buying your airline.
 
Ty Webb said:
These seats would have been lost with the 717 announcement, as well. The language in the agreement you came back with was so weak, you might as well have come back with a handful of magic beans.
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Not exactly. Let's say the rate that B717s left the property was higher than rate new B737s came on property and the total number of Captains required systemwide dropped from 4,000 to 3,900 (a vacancy bid with a -100 in the CA seat). The 100 most junior AirTran Captains would have lost their seats during this bid. However, these downgraded AirTran Captains still had a Captain retention slot through 9/27/2020. No SWA FO could upgrade until every AirTran pilot with a Captain Retention slot had been offered their seat back. Now, if the downgraded AirTran Captain did not take the reupgrade, he/she lost the Captain retention slot forever.

Why did SWAPA agree to this? My belief is that SWA management told SWAPA they were not going to eat the training associated with allowing guys to bump around (SIA #1 seat locked everyone for 3 years except for allowing AirTran B737 guys to bid vacancies caused by retiring B717 guys).

Ty Webb said:
"Max", there is a reason your wife made you stop posting on the ATN71 forum . . . and if she knew what you were up to here, she'd shut you down here, as well.
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My wife didn't kick me off the forum. She was actually becoming a crack addict too. I just couldn't leave the discussion like I was giving up so that seemed like a good excuse. The funny thing is, there was a B737 CA that tried to get me in trouble by "telling" on me one of my failed "cold turkey" attempts. My wife thought he was a tool. That wasn't you was it? :-)
 
redflyer65 said:
Was that my question?


Please answer.... What did you realistically expect?
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I'll answer this one for him. Bottom line much more than he got. He and most AAI pilots expected an arbitrated solution that based on past awards would have given him DOH +, the swapa contract, fences and seat protection.

It's sort of like the Christmas Vacation scene where Clark is expecting the big bonus check and gets something else. The anger isn't based on what they got it is based on what they got versus what they were expecting.

To be fair with the way Airtran is being drawn down with little movement across the partition I believe there are some guys over there who financially have it very tough right now. Idle hands and an empty checkbook tend to bring out the worst in people.
 
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ATLplt said:
You mean I get to make $230k next year as an FO? Sweet.
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You're making 115k at AirTran off your 75 hour guarantee? Even if you were a 12 year FO that would still come out to only 94k. I'm to understand that no one is making more than guarantee, at least that's what the complaining is all about.
 
Wow...we were expecting a staple, based on every previous SWA acquisition...so be "happy" the final result was closer to your expectations...
 
maxblast72 said:
However, these downgraded AirTran Captains still had a Captain retention slot through 9/27/2020. No SWA FO could upgrade until every AirTran pilot with a Captain Retention slot had been offered their seat back.

Why did SWAPA agree to this?
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They had to be drunk.:nuts:
 
canyonblue said:
They had to be drunk.:nuts:
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You laugh but one of the Magnificent Seven couldn't make the scheduled 8:30am van for the July 14th Gary Kelly meeting. Our MEC Chair had to wait for him and take the next van. Little too much drinking at the MEC meeting the previous night. Pretty sad. One of the most important weeks in an AirTran pilots career, and one the MEC reps couldn't cut back on the drinking and focus on the task at hand.
 
maxblast72 said:
The funny thing is, there was a B737 CA that tried to get me in trouble by "telling" on me one of my failed "cold turkey" attempts. My wife thought he was a tool. That wasn't you was it? :-)
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I'm going to take the high road here . . . .

I don't remember working with her, but if she married you, her tool-spotter must be inop anyway.

Originally Posted by Bake- Ty, I'm surprised you got caught up in this debate.
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"I keep trying to get out, but they pull me back IN!". :uzi:
 
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Funny, for some pilots quality of life trumps money any day. I would be very upset giving up weekends and holidays off for a raise. I spoke with some AirTran FOs making 120-130k the year after signing the new contract. Personally I would not exchange my weekends and days off to commute across the country working holidays. Time spent with my kids is way more important than a 15-35k raise. But it seems like AirTran pilots would rather have quality of life and SWA pilots seem to value money. To each their own I guess.
 
Kenney G said:
Funny, for some pilots quality of life trumps money any day. I would be very upset giving up weekends and holidays off for a raise. I spoke with some AirTran FOs making 120-130k the year after signing the new contract. Personally I would not exchange my weekends and days off to commute across the country working holidays. Time spent with my kids is way more important than a 15-35k raise. But it seems like AirTran pilots would rather have quality of life and SWA pilots seem to value money. To each their own I guess.
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You are wrong.

An Airtran Captain will make as much as a SWA FO. But the opportunity to earn more for your kids is remarkable. Not to mention a good relationship with management. No strike votes here in 40 + years.

There is an incredible amount more opportunity at SWA than there was/is at AT. Undeniable.
 
I just jumped in a SWA cockpit. They were talking about a letter all the pilots got from management saying that the company was getting ready to ask for pay cuts and concessions.

Maybe it's not going to be such a big pay raise for the AT guys....
 
Jim said:
I just jumped in a SWA cockpit. They were talking about a letter all the pilots got from management saying that the company was getting ready to ask for pay cuts and concessions.

Maybe it's not going to be such a big pay raise for the AT guys....
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Sure. Yea. Right.....
 
Jim said:
I just jumped in a SWA cockpit. They were talking about a letter all the pilots got from management saying that the company was getting ready to ask for pay cuts and concessions.

Maybe it's not going to be such a big pay raise for the AT guys....
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Oh yeah! I bet they were talking about Cold Cuts and concession stands at HP Pavilion. Need a better variety.
 
madjack said:
Wow...we were expecting a staple, based on every previous SWA acquisition...so be "happy" the final result was closer to your expectations...
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How many were there? I only know of one. Morris Air. Muse was never integrated. That was what you guys were really hoping for. That SWA would keep us separate and then slowly let us die. Like muse turned transtar. Morris had 21 planes. We had 140. When GK decides to buy JetBlue next, they aren't getting stapled either. Sounds like we all needed a little expectation management.
 
Jim said:
I just jumped in a SWA cockpit. They were talking about a letter all the pilots got from management saying that the company was getting ready to ask for pay cuts and concessions.

Maybe it's not going to be such a big pay raise for the AT guys....
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Oh no!! Really?!?

Can you forward me that letter? I haven't received it yet!!

Because that is what management does. They tell you in advance that they are going to ask for pay cuts and concessions. :rolleyes:
 
maxblast72 said:
You laugh but one of the Magnificent Seven couldn't make the scheduled 8:30am van for the July 14th Gary Kelly meeting. Our MEC Chair had to wait for him and take the next van. Little too much drinking at the MEC meeting the previous night. Pretty sad. One of the most important weeks in an AirTran pilots career, and one the MEC reps couldn't cut back on the drinking and focus on the task at hand.
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I really hope he sues you for libel and slander.
 
SWAdude said:
Sure. Yea. Right.....
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It was flight 1518 on 1/10. There were the two pilots, another SWA Captain also jumpseating and myself in the cockpit. Both the Captains had been at SWA for 25+ years and the FO was 10+ years. All three said they got the same letter - it was either from management or your union, I not sure which it was - about three days before. They also all agreed that the "LUV" between SWAPA and management was gone. Look up the Captain or FO and ask them. I've given you more than enough information to find out who they were.

But I understand your "Sure. Yea. Right". I'm not a SWA pilot so I should I not dare or consider myself worthy enough to make any comments about your airline.
 
humveedriver said:
How many were there? I only know of one. Morris Air. Muse was never integrated. That was what you guys were really hoping for. That SWA would keep us separate and then slowly let us die. Like muse turned transtar. Morris had 21 planes. We had 140. When GK decides to buy JetBlue next, they aren't getting stapled either. Sounds like we all needed a little expectation management.
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You do realize that when SWA bought Morris, SWA only had about 150 aircraft . With the AT purchase SWA had about 550.


Also not sure why all the mud slinging is going on. It only makes Jim and PCL happy. Neither side is going to convince the other of there views .
 
slaquer5 said:
You are clueless . Harm needs to be proven.

maybe the SWA pilots can sue you for slander/defamation. Many of times you have said publicly that we have small penises .
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That's funny!

Nothing like finding common ground laughing at the obnoxious fat kid.
 

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