SWA to speed up Airtran integration.....article

[slaquer5]

I have a masters, 737 type, 5000 73 hours, and 12 years at AT. Should I feel like a lucky SOB? I lost my A/C, my seat ,my base, 32% seniority and at least a 20% pay cut.

And by the way. My father was at Eastern from the 50s untile the 90s there was a time he thought the same as you do about SWA.

I hope you meant till the late 80s


EAL went on strike March of 89

 

[FIREMAN]

I hope you meant till the late 80s


EAL went on strike March of 89[/QUOT

Retired 4 days before strike. I was thinking about when they shut down.

 

[slaquer5]

I hope you meant till the late 80s


EAL went on strike March of 89[/QUOT

Retired 4 days before strike. I was thinking about when they shut down.

Thanks brother

Tell him hi from another EAL pilot.

I have never meet a nicer group , than the pilots at EAL.

 

[SWA/FO]

Last night while watching the hockey game with the old lady, it dawned on me.
This is what I understand: The AirTran guys are mad at Gary for lying to them or threatening them with their job, and every Tranny lost 32% seniority, their seat, their base, their airplane, their Wives blah blah blah etc….
Little do you guys (PCL and gang) realize, there is a double edged sword here. Because, if Gary was truthful, you know if he had told SWAPA and ALPA what he really wanted to do with your 717s. Then under law there wouldn’t have been any requirement to combine the Pilot group. This would have been a difference of an added 68% of lost seniority or 100% lost in seniority.
Nobody would be crying about lost seniority, they would be crying about a lost job. Other than being bought, Gary did you guys a huge favor by withholding that info. So as you see Gary didn’t tell the truth to us either. Don’t you think SWAPA would have loved to have that info? Staple at best, if anything… maybe a hiring pool. Now the message was delivered by Gary Kelly to your Pilot group because – HE KNEW ALL THE FACTS…. Plus your Group was spoon feeding you essentially what you wanted to hear.
Now you guys have the benefits of working for a carrier that has never furloughed and tells you they plan no furloughs. We are a FAT Pilot group; everybody (minus the top 10%) is making less money and it sucks…. But better times are ahead.

 

[humveedriver]

Last night while watching the hockey game with the old lady, it dawned on me.
This is what I understand: The AirTran guys are mad at Gary for lying to them or threatening them with their job, and every Tranny lost 32% seniority, their seat, their base, their airplane, their Wives blah blah blah etc….
Little do you guys (PCL and gang) realize, there is a double edged sword here. Because, if Gary was truthful, you know if he had told SWAPA and ALPA what he really wanted to do with your 717s. Then under law there wouldn’t have been any requirement to combine the Pilot group. This would have been a difference of an added 68% of lost seniority or 100% lost in seniority.
Nobody would be crying about lost seniority, they would be crying about a lost job. Other than being bought, Gary did you guys a huge favor by withholding that info. So as you see Gary didn’t tell the truth to us either. Don’t you think SWAPA would have loved to have that info? Staple at best, if anything… maybe a hiring pool. Now the message was delivered by Gary Kelly to your Pilot group because – HE KNEW ALL THE FACTS…. Plus your Group was spoon feeding you essentially what you wanted to hear.
Now you guys have the benefits of working for a carrier that has never furloughed and tells you they plan no furloughs. We are a FAT Pilot group; everybody (minus the top 10%) is making less money and it sucks…. But better times are ahead.

It's what he had to say to get approval from the Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Antitrust, Competition and Consumer Rights. Of course 6 ticket price increases later, I'm not sure how well the subcommittee did their job. Not disagreeing with you on your point SWA/FO.

 

[humveedriver]

Something else to consider. NWA made sure through the TPG corporation that AirTran did not acquire Midwest. The same can't be said about Delta's reaction to SWA buying AirTran. In fact they seemed to accept SWA's entrance into their fortress almost in stride. 6 months after the deal is inked Delta is acquiring 88 of their former competitors aircraft and business articles are being written about a smaller SWA operation in ATL. Black helicopters? Hardly. Just business as usual amongst the big players.

 

[redflyer65]

It's what he had to say to get approval from the Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Antitrust, Competition and Consumer Rights. Of course 6 ticket price increases later, I'm not sure how well the subcommittee did their job. Not disagreeing with you on your point SWA/FO.

I think unless it's a blatant monolopy on some route structure, they pretty much rubber stap it.

I believe Delta said no major changes would happen either. Look how they are decimating Memphis. In the end, it's a business decision.

 

[humveedriver]

I think unless it's a blatant monolopy on some route structure, they pretty much rubber stap it.

I believe Delta said no major changes would happen either. Look how they are decimating Memphis. In the end, it's a business decision.

The rules do seen to have changed after 9/11. Continental/NWA and Usair/United may have been better partners. Now it seems as if consolidation is just expected. I'm not clear how the rule makers can say no, even to low cost carriers, where ticket price is going to be factor (assuming most majors charge about the same). But the issue of job loss was important point discussed at the miluakee hearing.

 

[humveedriver]

Delta built CVG up and now it's a ghost town. So, you can't say looking at that merger that the acquirer reduced capacity in acquired airports alone.I think it's a good discussion though, the landscape is changing.

 

[SWA/FO]

It's what he had to say to get approval from the Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Antitrust, Competition and Consumer Rights. Of course 6 ticket price increases later, I'm not sure how well the subcommittee did their job. Not disagreeing with you on your point SWA/FO.

No doubt, he was playing a game. Gave Bob and BOD his word that he would take all employees etc....

But then the AT MEC gave him his chance to consider a plan B. Perfect! Gary is just a CEO trying to run a company and the big bad UNION is trying to ruin it all - scapegoat.

However, Gary lying to the AT Pilot group probably saved a lot of jobs. That and the way the AT Pilot group reacted to his message, got the job done. My guess is plan C would have been ugly for AT guys. Love him or hate him, he got what he wanted, at "others" expense. So if you think about it like that, do you hate the guy or thank him for doing what he did???