SWA to speed up Airtran integration.....article

[General Lee]

Then why aren't the AirTran pilots going to Delta with the 717s?

SWA is subleasing the 717s to Delta. It's a dry lease, not a "wet" one with crews. There is also an option "to buy" the 717s after AT's (or now SWA's) leases are up, and at the value of the planes at that time, which will be really cheap by 2020-2025. It was a great deal.

As far as the AT pilots go, GK stated there would be no furloughs, so the ones who want to stay at SWA can stay. If the AT guys want to come along to DL, they will have to interview. I would think DL would want those AT guys, so make sure to throw in an app. Right now DL is overstaffed by about 400 supposedly, so 3 717s a month starting in AUG, 14 MD90s, and 3 737-900ERs (which will be replacing some 757s/A320s/dom 767s) per month starting in AUG also will help bring that down to zero. Retirments aren't huge for another couple years, but when they do start leaving in droves, it will be very interesting to watch. As I stated before, a few years in a row there are 700-800 leaving EACH year. That will cause a lot of training, and upward movement.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[SWAdude]

If the AT guys want to come along to DL, they will have to interview.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Really?

Thanks. I am 100% certain not all of the AT guys would have known that.

 

[Phlintstone]

I think he meant "interview" as opposed to coming WITH the 717s in a pkg deal since that is a provision in our ALPA contract (IIRC, maintaining seats and longevity). It is a part that all parties are ignoring for some reason. I know some would go in a heartbeat...PCL comes to mind.

Phred

 

[General Lee]

I think he meant "interview" as opposed to coming WITH the 717s in a pkg deal since that is a provision in our ALPA contract (IIRC, maintaining seats and longevity). It is a part that all parties are ignoring for some reason. I know some would go in a heartbeat...PCL comes to mind.

Phred

I think the SWA/AT contract allows the 717s to go without crews if there is a "sublease", and of course there is in this case. If you are happy at SWA you should stay, otherwise, there will be 3 legacies hiring eventually with lots of upward movement due to retirements. Good luck.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Phlintstone]

I read our contract and it does not reference any sublease exception but the language is so full of holes you could fly an A380 through it. Essentially it can be ignored without consequences.

I do not know what I will do when Delta starts hiring. The thought of first year pay again just sucks (Delta), the thought of commuting sucks (SWA), there really isn't a good answer for me. I cannot/will not move with kids in high school.

Phred

 

[canyonblue]

I know some would go in a heartbeat...PCL comes to mind.

Phred

Delta requires a college degree, so unless he can get the Wizard of Oz to conjure one up, he ain't going.

 

[jonjuan]

I think he meant "interview" as opposed to coming WITH the 717s in a pkg deal since that is a provision in our ALPA contract (IIRC, maintaining seats and longevity). It is a part that all parties are ignoring for some reason. I know some would go in a heartbeat...PCL comes to mind.

Phred

Really?

Thanks. I am 100% certain not all of the AT guys would have known that.

Well, some of them did pay for training and only have GEDs, so.........

 

[maxblast72]

Delta requires a college degree, so unless he can get the Wizard of Oz to conjure one up, he ain't going.

Maybe Kelly can ask Anderson if he will make an exception for PCL. Sounds like a win-win for both airlines.

 

[Phlintstone]

Delta requires a college degree, so unless he can get the Wizard of Oz to conjure one up, he ain't going.

Now that's funny. He looks like the Wizard!

Phred

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

Delta requires a college degree, so unless he can get the Wizard of Oz to conjure one up, he ain't going.

Southwest requires a type rating so some wizard must have conjured up 73 types for all of us 71 guys.

 

[canyonblue]

Southwest requires a type rating so some wizard must have conjured up 73 types for all of us 71 guys.

Yeah, that Wizard would be Gary Kelly, who put in place your ability to become a Southwest Pilot without a 737 Type Rating. Also you didn't need the 1000 hours of Turbine PIC, so thank him at the breakfast.

 

[Kharma Police]

Yeah, that Wizard would be Gary Kelly, who put in place your ability to become a Southwest Pilot without a 737 Type Rating. Also you didn't need the 1000 hours of Turbine PIC, so thank him at the breakfast.

If only they would throw in the leather jacket for free too.....

 

[tankerhead]

Yeah, that Wizard would be Gary Kelly, who put in place your ability to become a Southwest Pilot without a 737 Type Rating. Also you didn't need the 1000 hours of Turbine PIC, so thank him at the breakfast.

And plenty of us bring both the type AND 1000 TPIC mins many times over. You're just trying to use one paintbrush for us all. Open your eyes man. I've flown with Tranny captains that dropped bombs in Libya in the eighties, flew the Prez all over the world in the nineties, and heroically recovered burning DC9's when lesser pilots might've augered in. We also have some scabs and serious dooshbags, but you guys do too.

 

[canyonblue]

And plenty of us bring both the type AND 1000 TPIC mins many times over. You're just trying to use one paintbrush for us all.

Not using one paintbrush at all, I know quite a few AirTran pilots that are more than qualified. I was just responding to the smartazz comment about not needing a 737 Type. Of course there is a difference in qualifications with an acquisition opposed to a New Hire, that's all I was pointing out. And Delta still requires a College Degree for a New Hire. I would suppose that doesn't apply to the flow through pilots, hence the different way to get in the door.

 

[canyonblue]

If only they would throw in the leather jacket for free too.....

Please buy the leather jacket, too many guys getting the "look" wearing the Stu Nahan jacket.