SWA to speed up Airtran integration.....article

[ATLplt]

and until then.. spend 3 years with a 25% take home pay cut, terrible schedule, >40% of pilots on reserve and out of seniority transition.

Look at the bright side. When you cross over you'll get the privilege of commuting to the west coast AND get to spend your raise on a crash pad or hotel rooms.

 

[Lear70]

That's why I'm bidding Vegas, baby. Cheap hotels! and other entertainments... lol

 

[Candide]

.............

 

[canyonblue]

That's why I'm bidding Vegas, baby. Cheap hotels! and other entertainments... lol

Not sure where you live, but many guys in Vegas bid PM lines, and commute in on day one then fly a redeye home on day 3 or 4. No Hotel bills, unless you want to stay for the entertainment.

 

[General Lee]

Do you even know what a B scale is, or the history behind the term? Your posts on the subject referencing the SW/AT deal indicate that you don't.

Whether you think it's right or wrong (and no one asked you anyway), AT and SW are being operated as separate airlines, separate lists during the transition, per the agreement both sides voted for.

The AT guys get full SW pay (with their AT longevity) the day they get a SW ID.

Hi Tri, maybe you don't understand GOOD mergers. In a good merger, people get a JOINT contract first (same pay for same type equipment). Then, an SLI is negotiated or arbitrated, so you don't have to blame management or the guy sitting next to you, you can blame the arbitrator if you couldn't negotiate it yourself (most can't). Then, you integrate as fast as you can, not take years.... Come on! That is lame, and does not promote unity or loyalty. After flying at your 17 airlines, you should know that by now. Btw, how many if those above did your airline follow? How's your merger going in your eyes? Riiight.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[chris69]

Dude,
You can't post that! This board is for purgation and catharsis.
Chris

PS: Great post

 

[Lear70]

Not sure where you live, but many guys in Vegas bid PM lines, and commute in on day one then fly a redeye home on day 3 or 4. No Hotel bills, unless you want to stay for the entertainment.

Nashville, I don't think there's a red-eye back here on anyone.

Will probably fly out the day before and fly the A.M. lines so I can get home on the last day. Something about not having to get a hotel at the END of your trip seems easier than getting one on the front end.

Plus I'm less likely to get in trouble if I have to get up early on Day 1.

 

[Dash Power]

Hi Tri, maybe you don't understand GOOD mergers. In a good merger, people get a JOINT contract first (same pay for same type equipment). Then, an SLI is negotiated or arbitrated, so you don't have to blame management or the guy sitting next to you, you can blame the arbitrator if you couldn't negotiate it yourself (most can't). Then, you integrate as fast as you can, not take years.... Come on! That is lame, and does not promote unity or loyalty. After flying at your 17 airlines, you should know that by now. Btw, how many if those above did your airline follow? How's your merger going in your eyes? Riiight.



Bye Bye---General Lee

Awwww. There lies the problem. This was an integration based on an acquisition. This was not a merger.

Just as a reminder, NWA and DAL decided to merge operations. SWA purchased AT. In every definition there is a big difference.

But I m absolutely certain you can not see the difference.

 

[canyonblue]

Plus I'm less likely to get in trouble if I have to get up early on Day 1.

In Vegas, good luck. :beer:

 

[Tripower455]

Hi Tri, maybe you don't understand GOOD mergers. In a good merger, people get a JOINT contract first (same pay for same type equipment). Then, an SLI is negotiated or arbitrated, so you don't have to blame management or the guy sitting next to you, you can blame the arbitrator if you couldn't negotiate it yourself (most can't). Then, you integrate as fast as you can, not take years.... Come on! That is lame, and does not promote unity or loyalty. After flying at your 17 airlines, you should know that by now. Btw, how many if those above did your airline follow? How's your merger going in your eyes? Riiight.



Bye Bye---General Lee

You pride yourself as being mastur debater, yet you quote me, and don't even address the subject of the quote in any way.

You have, on numerous occasions incorrectly referred to the current AT pay scales as B scales. There is no B scale at SW or AT.

As for the rest.....

There is no such thing as a "good merger".

 

[Newpilot2b]

How about : It isn't a "merger" it is an "acquisition". There's a difference. One company "bought" the other. They didn't get together over a beer and say "hey, let's "merge".

 

[frostyboy]

GL's obsession with SWA is disturbing!!

 

[General Lee]

GL's obsession with SWA is disturbing!!

No, when I see something that is an injustice, I give plenty of opinions about it. Over the last 11 years on here I have picked on a lot of groups that deserved it, like the US Easties, certain Comair guys, and now specific Corndogs. They are always welcome to give their own opinions or retorts, or just ignore. Whatever...



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[madjack]

I personally enjoy the General's perspective...the personal insults do detract and you risk becoming Ty Webb jr...using insult as argument...

 

[dicko]

Ditto

Agreed.

More importantly, I covet that mustache. If Magnum P.I.ever dies, I'm gonna buy it and sell it to the next prospective ALPA President. He'll be unstoppable.

 

[dicko]

Not sure where you live, but many guys in Vegas bid PM lines, and commute in on day one then fly a redeye home on day 3 or 4. No Hotel bills, unless you want to stay for the entertainment.

Sounds like a great quality of life; as opposed to driving twenty minutes to work for the same money. A red eye at the end of every trip. :erm:

 

[PCL_128]

Not sure where you live, but many guys in Vegas bid PM lines, and commute in on day one then fly a redeye home on day 3 or 4. No Hotel bills, unless you want to stay for the entertainment.

A red eye that gets me back home at 7am on a day off is still a lost day off. An 18 day off line still becomes a 14 day off line.

 

[LeeRoyJenkins]

No, these threads bring out what was WRONG with specific mergers, so hopefully it won't happen again, or will be handled differently next time. Like:

1. When two groups merge, management should NOT favor one side over the other. That never created unity, between pilot groups or with the new company. Stay out of integration management.....

2. When you say you will do something in a prior agreement, follow through. (That goes for US Easties and the agreement to do binding arbitration, and certain management types from another airline apparently agreeing to things, and then not.....)

3. Don't pay different payrates for the same plane type. No, not good. No unity there. Same pay in a joint contract is the FIRST thing done in a successful merger. Same pay takes the sting away from the eventual SLI.


4. Don't take years to integrate. Come on! Unity? Have enough money to complete the merger fully after the purchase is made...



No merger is perfect, but these latest mergers had airlines that had the benefit of watching a couple go first. One went relatively well, the other did not. No excuses.



Bye Bye---General Lee

Why do you have such a hard on for SWA? Because I can guarantee you that I could care less about Delta.

 

[General Lee]

I personally enjoy the General's perspective...the personal insults do detract and you risk becoming Ty Webb jr...using insult as argument...

I try to avoid it, but sometimes it is unavoidable.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Why do you have such a hard on for SWA? Because I can guarantee you that I could care less about Delta.

Wait, you COULD CARE LESS? So, you do care a lot? That's awesome. Hey, look up Yahoo Aviation finance each morning and find out the latest and greatest at DL. Enjoy it.

Btw, I wish I didn't have to read and hear about the injustices at your place. Please fix them, so I don't have to continue to debate how poorly you merged. Really, it didn't have to be that way. You had two examples of how to merge before your turn, and I think you took the wrong path....


Bye Bye---General Lee