SWA plan for 15% ROIC

[scoreboardII]

I'm really not sure what you're talking about. I've never seen a union "move to destroy a company."

Strike votes not withstanding....

 

[PCL_128]

Please tell me your yanking his chain with that comment..

Of course not. Destroying a company is counter to the union's own interests. If you're the rank and file, destroying the company ends your income stream. If you're the leadership of the international union, then destroying the company ends your dues revenue stream. Either way, destroying the company is in no one's self interest.

A strike vote is not a means to destroy a company. Even a strike itself is not. A union will generally not engage in a strike if it believes that the strike will kill the company.

 

[Flying the Line]

Back on target, $40 to jump to the front of the line. Good move or bad discuss.

 

[humveedriver]

Strike votes not withstanding....

It's a legal option. Why doesn't the government abolish unionized employees right to strike? Management always has all the answers, treats employees fairly and should never be second guessed when safety and the bottom line are in competition. Right?

 

[GIZMONC]

Today SWA starting selling UNSOLD Business Select boarding positions. 45 Min before departure if you want to shell out $40.00, you can secure A1-15 if it not sold already, however no free drink nor Rapid Rewards point.

 

[Dan Roman]

Today SWA starting selling UNSOLD Business Select boarding positions. 45 Min before departure if you want to shell out $40.00, you can secure A1-15 if it not sold already, however no free drink nor Rapid Rewards point.

I don't know about that one. If I bought a ticket on an airline and than saw people having to shell out $40 to cut in front of me, I would be thinking next time I'll take my business to someone else.

Heard a funny story though... Guy on a European talk show showed a clip of The Denzil Washington movie were the airplane was flying upside down.....someone piped in that RyanAir does that all the time to get your last euro out of your pocket.

 

[humveedriver]

Today SWA starting selling UNSOLD Business Select boarding positions. 45 Min before departure if you want to shell out $40.00, you can secure A1-15 if it not sold already, however no free drink nor Rapid Rewards point.

Once Amadeus is up and running relatively smoothly, I can see SWA selling unrestricted assigned seating at a premium price and keep the unassigned boarding process for restricted fares. That wouldn't be too far off from the way AT does things now. Accept that we assign a seat to everyone. I think a hybrid assigned and unassigned could capture revenue and keep turn times shorter than with all assigned seating.

 

[maxblast72]

Of course not. Destroying a company is counter to the union's own interests. If you're the rank and file, destroying the company ends your income stream. If you're the leadership of the international union, then destroying the company ends your dues revenue stream. Either way, destroying the company is in no one's self interest.

A strike vote is not a means to destroy a company. Even a strike itself is not. A union will generally not engage in a strike if it believes that the strike will kill the company.

Dam, I agree with PCL128. I hate when that happens

The biggest problem for pilots is a good portion of them don't like to save money. If a union knows their pilots aren't prepared to miss a paycheck or two, it can be tough to successful execute a suspension of service.

 

[slaquer5]

Of course not. Destroying a company is counter to the union's own interests. If you're the rank and file, destroying the company ends your income stream. If you're the leadership of the international union, then destroying the company ends your dues revenue stream. Either way, destroying the company is in no one's self interest.

A strike vote is not a means to destroy a company. Even a strike itself is not. A union will generally not engage in a strike if it believes that the strike will kill the company.

All I can say is EAL.


I was younger than you when I was there, there where many ruined lives. By the Grace of God, I landed on my feet.


This industry is pure luck.

 

[scoreboardII]

A strike vote is not a means to destroy a company. Even a strike itself is not. A union will generally not engage in a strike if it believes that the strike will kill the company.

Right.... Put the crack pipe down, a strike will kill a company inside of a week, severely damage it in days, thinking otherwise is naive.

 

[maxblast72]

Right.... Put the crack pipe down, a strike will kill a company inside of a week, severely damage it in days, thinking otherwise is naive.

Really? Maybe you are naive. United, Delta, American, and Southwest are too big to fail. Once you are that big, stakeholders will take big concessions not to get a bunch of assets dumped back in their laps when a big company liquidates. All the above 4 airlines I listed could last more than 1 week if the pilots went on strike. Maybe PCL128 can list the duration of some strikes, like the Northwest strike in the late 1990s. I could of swore it lasted over a week.

 

[737tanker]

I don't know about that one. If I bought a ticket on an airline and than saw people having to shell out $40 to cut in front of me, I would be thinking next time I'll take my business to someone else.

Is paying the $40 to upgrade your boarding position from a "B" or a "C" to "A1-15" any different than getting an upgrade at those airlines that have a higher class seating.

 

[Dan Roman]

I see your point, but I think it's one thing to buy an upgrade and all that entails vs simply being put in a position of every person for themselves when you board and oh yeah, for $40 we'll let some passengers cut in front of you. If you got something for your $40 other than being able to cut in front of your fellow passengers I could see it, but it sounds to me like the people who don't pay the $40 are getting their travel experience diminished if they don't cough up the extra 40 more bucks.

 

[FlyinGuy]

How is their travel experienced diminished?

What about any other airline out there? Does the person who pays twice as much for the last seat on a sold out flight have a diminished travel experience? Maybe, maybe not.

The only "issue" is that people can see what is happening. If a group of 5 people walked up to the ticket counter and purchased the last 5 business select boarding positions 50 minutes prior to departure, does that diminish the others travel experience? Probably not, because they did not see what was happening.

SWA said they tested this and it worked pretty good. Will some be p/o'ed. Sure, but they are welcome to go pay their $40 to move up. Will it work in the long run? Who knows, but at least SWA is trying some things to boost their revenue. FYI, my bet is that by 2015, bags will not fly for free.

 

[humveedriver]

I see your point, but I think it's one thing to buy an upgrade and all that entails vs simply being put in a position of every person for themselves when you board and oh yeah, for $40 we'll let some passengers cut in front of you. If you got something for your $40 other than being able to cut in front of your fellow passengers I could see it, but it sounds to me like the people who don't pay the $40 are getting their travel experience diminished if they don't cough up the extra 40 more bucks.

It's sort of a gamble too. Because thru passengers on a multi leg flight can move after deplaning free of charge. So you are buying better odds of a seat you would prefer to sit in, not a guarantee, and if it doesn't include free booze, what's the point...

But SWA has a loyal following and this plan caters to some. People have a choice and can and will fly on another airline based on price, convenience and value.