SWA lands at wrong Branson Airport

[livin'thesim]

Have you ever operated at 250 knots below 10,000?
Have you ever thrown the gear or operated the flaps at maximum placarded speed?
Have you ever had a rest period reduced to only 8 hours?

The limits are in place to delineate the line for which a safe operation crosses from safe to unsafe or a legal operation becomes illegal. The safe side of either is exactly that, the safe side. I am not advocating operating at the maximum limits at all times, I'm simply saying that to do so has been deemed safe and legal by the folks making the rules governing our profession.

You seem to be struggling with the difference between "have you ever" and "do you always".

 

[Dan Roman]

It never ends....This place used to be good for info and real advice. I'm done peace out

I blame cable news believe it or not. A significant percentage of Americans think replacing substance with an insult is a valid way to make a point. Was it Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh that Time magazine called the "Messiah for Morons"?
Anyway, since an AA guy decided to throw rocks in his glass house I'll bring up Cali.

A crash caused by improper use of technology. Obviously this could have been prevented by correct application of glass technology.

Since the subject of what the FAA reaction will be came up.....I have to wonder if that's what will come out of this. More emphasis on proper use of technology. Reading the board here seems to indicate SWA is behind in that regard. NOT A SLAM! Understandable given their type of operation. Lot's of multiple legs and lot's of hand flying. Which brings up the other side of the sword. Too much technology equals weaker hand flying skills.The technology is a great tool when used properly, but a killer when used as a crutch and it turns to rubber.
They'll come up with some kind of knee jerk reaction though!

 

[Flopgut]

Here's a good link everybody might appreciate:

http://www.thirdamendment.com/wrongway.html

My favorite one:

July 31, 1979 - A Western Airlines 737, bound for Sheridan, Wyoming (SHR), mistakenly lands at Johnson County Airport (BYG) in Buffalo. Link. [Buffalo subsequently honored the pilot with a "Lowell Ferguson Days" celebration. Link.] See also David Bird and Albin Krebs, "Wyoming Town Fondly Remembers a Mistake," New York Times, July 7, 1981.

Nobody got hurt. The pilots have probably already beat themselves up enough. I'd let my family ride their airplane. That's my opinion.

It would be nice if it was still like it was in 79 in Buffalo, WY.

 

[Dan Roman]

Interesting post Flop...my quick take is this is one problem that should be greatly diminished thanks to glass technology.

 

[eaglesview]

Anyone think it's ironic that on the 5 year anniversary of Sully successfully putting a crippled Airbus into the Hudson saving everyone on board we have folks on here actually defending to Airline pilots with a combines 28 years at SW that couldn't find the correct airport in VFR conditions. even student pilots would have some explaining to do.

Gross negligence plain and simple

 

[chqflyer]

Looks like it.



http://youtu.be/XWxF7Tp5nCM

Emergency Take Off? Were some angry rednecks chasing them?

 

[freightdogfred]

Anyone think it's ironic that on the 5 year anniversary of Sully successfully putting a crippled Airbus into the Hudson saving everyone on board we have folks on here actually defending to Airline pilots with a combines 28 years at SW that couldn't find the correct airport in VFR conditions. even student pilots would have some explaining to do.

Gross negligence plain and simple

Sully had no choice. He was gonna land with 10 miles, and he chose the longest strip he had in sight. The SWA crew made a mistake, albeit a big one. I'm actually kinda impressed they got the airplane stopped. I guess I kinda feel for them, as I said before, I've made the exact same error but recognized it prior to landing and recovered. They weren't the first to make this mistake and they won't be the last. The irony is all the rock throwing going on in here.

 

[Flopgut]

Talk about negligence:

http://news.yahoo.com/asiana-crash-aftermath-video-shows-firefighters-warned-teen-233002390.html

Are other firefighters throwing these guys under the bus on some firefighter forum? Seriously, I don't know? Maybe, maybe not. But "gross negligence" in Branson? Idk? It was an error, but thankfully no casualties. It would probably be a better use of our time to call for more disciplined CFR than throw the SWA crew under the bus.

 

[densoo]

Have you ever operated at 250 knots below 10,000?
Have you ever thrown the gear or operated the flaps at maximum placarded speed?
Have you ever had a rest period reduced to only 8 hours?

You ever been in a cockpit before?
Ever hang around a gymnasium?
Ever been in a Turkish prison?

http://youtu.be/n2A194yTWoQ

 

[waveflyer]

Naw, we're just tired of watching people push the envelope, with predictable results. You're only half an ego away from being as dangerous as the guy you were criticizing a few posts back.

Eh go fish on that flame

 

[eaglesview]

Talk about negligence:

http://news.yahoo.com/asiana-crash-aftermath-video-shows-firefighters-warned-teen-233002390.html

Are other firefighters throwing these guys under the bus on some firefighter forum? Seriously, I don't know? Maybe, maybe not. But "gross negligence" in Branson? Idk? It was an error, but thankfully no casualties. It would probably be a better use of our time to call for more disciplined CFR than throw the SWA crew under the bus.

Apples and oranges "Co worker" flops. I like to think we go through more to become airline pilots than do fire fighters. For the near future we will all be the butt of jokes as the passengers board making comments about "do we know where we are going." These two obviously had no SA which means they had nothing in the box to verify where the hell they were. This is a very basic requirement where we work.(is on the Airbus anyway) It is also plain common sense. I do not mind defending our profession from misguided greedy management. I do mind defending our profession from grossly negligent bonehead maneuvers like this by one of our own.

 

[Newkem]

Luck

SWA IMHO is like a CAT who has used up 8 of 9 lives. How much longer can they get away with their feisty little mistakes?

 

[Flopgut]

For the near future we will all be the butt of jokes as the passengers board making comments about "do we know where we are going."

That would be welcome banter over what I've had to hear the last couple years from customers. Previous to our becoming "co workers" I had quite a few happy people back there. Anyway... There is a little more going on here than these two having their heads up and locked. You ever been into PLK? I have, a lot. Read the first link I posted showing all the airlines that have had this happen. It's an equal opportunity error.

 

[eaglesview]

That would be welcome banter over what I've had to hear the last couple years from customers. Previous to our becoming "co workers" I had quite a few happy people back there. Anyway... There is a little more going on here than these two having their heads up and locked. You ever been into PLK? I have, a lot. Read the first link I posted showing all the airlines that have had this happen. It's an equal opportunity error.

The error cannot if you are following SOP's. I know what you mean about having happy passengers before we were "co workers." I'm over that now. We are UCH pilots and both have a management team that has managed to wreck two airlines. here's hoping for a turn around soon.

 

[densoo]

We are UCH pilots and both have a management team that has managed to wreck two airlines.

Ain't that the truth!