SWA hiring and international growth. From Gary

[Esprit]

How does ATA fit into all of this?

 

[NuGuy]

How does ATA fit into all of this?

Only as a warning to others....

Nu

 

[Lear70]

Re-indexing an entire company, even just the pilots, would be a lot of coin... You'd be surprised.

 

[no1pilot2000]

SWA pilot hiring.

I hope the pilot recruiters at SWA get alot of sleep and eat a hearty breakfast the day that they start interviewing pilots. Their computers are going to need some EXTRA hard drive space to handle the HUGE influx of resumes that pilot hopefulls will upload to SWA's computers.

Good luck to all that apply when they start hiring pilots!!!!!

 

[Bob_Sacamano]

I'm on 4th-year pay at SWA. I've made $125,000 so far this year, so I should finish the year at just under $150,000. The TOP of your payscale (12-year Captain) is only $153. Can you please show us the math and explain how you're going to lose $100,000 over 5 years?

For me, it means a likely half-decade delay in upgrade, but a better pay scale as an F/O in the interim. Likely I will lose about $100k in the grand scheme of things over the next half-decade

 

[jonjuan]

Still cant answer a simple question Lear70?

Thanks for the presents its more then Airtran brings. Must be nice to be perfect. But then again you are a tranny. All trannies on top. You guys are so special you should pick your spot on the list.

Maybe you're upset because he'll be slotted ahead of you based on his Flexjet date of hire versus yours.

 

[Lear70]

I'm on 4th-year pay at SWA. I've made $125,000 so far this year, so I should finish the year at just under $150,000. The TOP of your payscale (12-year Captain) is only $153. Can you please show us the math and explain how you're going to lose $100,000 over 5 years?

Without having the exact breakdown of your trips, how much block versus credit you're flying compared hours to TFP, it would appear you are working your butt off almost the most you can make. At the hourly conversion of $108 per hour, you're telling me you're going to credit 1,389 hours this year? Really? Or are you including per diem, vacation pay, JA override, etc?

If you're really interested in a breakdown of an HOURLY comparison for someone who, simply flies their 80 hour line and compare it apples-to-apples, then sure.

Assuming I come over with anywhere NEAR my seniority, and assuming it takes 10 more years to upgrade, my pay starting at 6th year SWA F/O for the next 10 years is:

129 * 1000 hours per year (just an easy averaging tool) = $129,000
134 = $134,000
136 = $136,000
137 = $137,000
141 = $141,000
143 = $143,000
144 = $144,000
144 = $144,000
144 = $144,000
144 = $144,000

Total income the next 10 years: $1,396,000

By DOCC we should have our new contract. The minimums on them are a 30% increase for F/O's, 16% for CA's, give or take a percentage point in the year-by-year flow (taken from our negotiating committee emails and subtracting 10% from those original proposals to come to a real-world "middle ground" figure).

I would then fly 2 more years as an F/O, then upgrade here at AirTran, being in the top 15% of the seniority list on the F/O side.

96 = 96,000
101 = 101,000
153 = 153,000
159 = 159,000
167 = 167,000
171 = 171,000
177 = 177,000
177 = 177,000
177 = 177,000
177 = 177,000

Total income remaining stand-alone at AirTran with our EXISTING, FIRM delivery schedule of aircraft allowing my upgrade in the next two years:

$1,549,000

Loss of $153,000 plus the investment loss of not having that money to invest over that 10 years = easy $200,000 when compounded.

These numbers may make no sense to you now, but when we get our final contract in the next few months and the numbers work out close, it will make much more sense to you.

p.s. It takes about 4 years as a Southwest Captain to make that money back. That's what we give up in this transaction. Present value of money, the ability to invest it now, and 8 years of being a Captain. Not the most important thing in the world, but if I could have my 'druthers, I'd ruther be in the left seat than the right.

YMMV

 

[Lear70]

Maybe you're upset because he'll be slotted ahead of you based on his Flexjet date of hire versus yours.

Do tell...?

Moderator hat on:

No, don't really, that's enough information as it is. Rules is rules.

/mod

 

[jonjuan]

OMG thanks for the laugh. Seriously.

I'm really going out on a limb here but I'm guessing you're an Airtran pilot.

Gup

You just lost 3% on the sli. Wanna go for 4?

 

[Bob_Sacamano]

That would be career suicide. Only 50% +1 of your pilots have to agree to anything. Our FOs make more than 90% of your Captains. I'm REALLY looking forward to arbitration. Since 98% of your pilots voted to walk away from your awesome carrier, ANY arbitrator is gonna see the 100% pay raises as windfall enough. Airtran should try to avoid arbitration at all costs.

We're not going to accept a downgrade for half our CA's and a staple for most of our F/O's./QUOTE]